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and good evening from Philadelphia James

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here for some milk and welcome to UFO

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news network Sunday we've got a big show

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a bob lazar is undergoing a renaissance

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in the UFO field thanks to a new

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documentary that was just released this

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past week and it's a time to talk about

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everything Bob Lazar where we're going

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to go through everything and go into

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some detail that I think the recent

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documentary and maybe even Bob's own

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documentary from 1992 which I highly

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recommend did not go into we've got an

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all-star panel here with us joining us

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for the first time and breaking our

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roundtable gender barrier is a UFO

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researcher chant Hannah all the way from

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Arizona chant thanks for joining us

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welcome to the show it's a pleasure to

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be here thank you for having me

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absolutely joining us for the second

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time and you may have already seen his a

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little presentation on Bob Lazar in a

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video that he posted this week over on

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YouTube obviously a big supporter of

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Bob's and his story Ryan from post

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disclosure world thanks for coming back

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on with us a second time Ryan thanks

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it's good to be here and last but not

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least mr. hat-trick himself making his

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record-breaking third appearance on our

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show all the way from Michigan another

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Bob Lazar supporter Chris Wolford thanks

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again Chris the third time is the charm

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like they say it seems the beam thank

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you for having me all right and let's

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get right down to it let's let's not

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play around Lazar has undergone a

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renaissance I would say in attention

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that paid to his story a lot of people

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hate him a lot of people love him the

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complicated story so before this this

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new wave of attention towards his story

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came up let's let's get everybody's

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opinion on where they were at on Bob

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Lazar before all this before seeing

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the recent documentary and all the all

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the attention and praise and criticism

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that he's gotten James go ahead why

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don't you kick off on this yeah sure

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absolutely you know going back you know

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I've been researching this topic for a

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while so years and years ago you know

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when I first saw a story of course I was

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fascinated but to be quite honest when I

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saw Stan Freedman start talking trash

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about him yeah I was like you know why

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it's an Friedman he's a respected

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researcher you know he's probably right

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but then you know I always come back to

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the stuff and every time I went back I

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was like there's you know there seems

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like there's something too and I got to

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be missing something but at the same

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time we're so conflicted with why Stan

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Friedman had such a rub against them so

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you know something I've been going back

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and forth with some or for quite a few

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years but again you know the more the

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more I hear the guy talk the more I'm

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convinced of his story there are at

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least that convinced that he's not that

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he believes what he's saying so that's

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basically my I take on the story before

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the film chant what were you thoughts of

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week or so well I think he was

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instrumental in reconfirming and

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validating people's beliefs about ETS um

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I didn't need Lazar to believe that

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extraterrestrial civilizations exist

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I've always felt it to be impractical

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probability that extraterrestrial

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civilizations exist um Lazar claims he

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was never interested in the field of

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him and that it literally fell into his

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regarding his academic degrees I

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understand the conspiracy theories

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floating around about how the government

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can erase one's past but I still feel a

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little uneasy accepting his explanation

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yep yeah we'll get into that in a little

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bit more detail Chris what are your

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thoughts on that I was are up before

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this week in the pro camp that he was

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telling the truth the entire time even

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with all the

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prostitution and the him being arrested

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he's lying the thing that really

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crystallized it for me was when George

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found Dennis his superior either in

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Washington State or somewhere on the

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west coast now obviously he wouldn't

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talk to George Knapp but the fact that

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he found Dennis

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or not Dennis uh his uh yeah supervisor

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we had yeah that solidified for me

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because here's Bob if he didn't work

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there then how would he know this guy's

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name no so that I always go back to God

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and I Ryan your thoughts on Lazar before

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the the last week or so well I mean it's

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just been relatively recently that I've

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been digging into the data points with

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Bob Lazar and really researching him I

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would say that prior to investigating

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I was probably agnostic on the whole

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thing and as it stands now I would say

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that probably 50/50 I mean there is no

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smoking gun but at the same time there

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are many many data points that are

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highly persuasive and compelling and you

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you couple that with the sincerity of

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Bob Lazar he comes off as extremely

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sincere he doesn't give you the

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impression he's lying and then you look

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at all the people that knew him before

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1989 when he came forward people who

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know him now and one thing none of these

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people say is oh this guy's a he's a

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weirdo he's a charlatan

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he makes stuff up he doesn't have some

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sort of history of just coming off as a

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liar and when you look at the totality

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of the whole thing you really you really

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opinion you don't have to believe but

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you really shouldn't discount it because

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there's just too much there's too much

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there's too many compelling factors when

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you look at at it in totality so that's

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basically the way I see it are the areas

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that were sort of undiscovered left

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alone that for the most part so I didn't

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focus a whole lot on Lazar I did look at

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his own videotape that's sort of a

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principal I had going way back

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the very beginning when you have an

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opportunity to look at a particular

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aspect of the field whenever possible go

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back to the original source that

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documentary was sitting out there I did

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watch it didn't have a strong opinion

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one way or the other I did find it

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interesting and I didn't completely rule

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it out even though I was well aware of a

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lot of the caveats about that Lazar

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especially regarding his academic

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background and I guess we'll get into

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that as we go along but that's about

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so I have been digging a lot deeper

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I've come to some conclusions but those

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conclusions are a mixed bag let's put it

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that way and we'll explore that as we go

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along now I understand that everybody

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here has watched the movie is that

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correct yes yes yes okay let's go around

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the horn again and get everybody's

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thoughts on the movie let's start with

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you James I like the movie you know

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style I really I thought I had a hip

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vibe to it

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typical you know UFO documentaries as

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any other I like the way Korbel kind of

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presents you know there's the dish onra

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with with his own creative style so I

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appreciated that or was that you know

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how the film is produced the music was

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awesome obviously you know what's the

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name did the soundtrack for that did the

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skinwalker one anyways yeah I you know

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film was was humanized bottles are

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because so many people were attacking

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him because they were detached from you

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know that he's an actual person

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so that was corbels kind of you know way

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of approaching this and you know he

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explained that's why he he didn't go too

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far into the schooling that bob did

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because even if that was true that he he

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lied about his education that doesn't

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prove either other way that uh that he

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did you know experience what he did at

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area 51 and s4 so overall I liked the

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film I liked it that was good for the

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honor as well done god I chant your

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thoughts on the movie itself yeah I

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didn't like it um yeah I can explain why

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beforehand I would have been confused

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about watching this movie the timeline

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was scattered and it compromised the

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storyline there was no synopsis at the

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beginning the film I think Jeremy was in

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the film too much I was hoping to see

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some good footage of Bob and I wasn't

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disappointed in that respect I had to

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fast forward through Mickey Rourke's

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Meredith hokey b-movie moments to get to

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the relevant parts of the film what I

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thought was relevant I didn't like the

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weird music in the background at times

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it was overwhelming and distracting and

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pictures in-between and during the

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relevant parts of the film the highlight

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effects used in this film Bob's face and

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voice were distorted often and it made

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it difficult to scrutinize what he had

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to say I guess what was relevant to me

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that I really enjoyed watching was Terry

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tavern Eddie the polygraph examiner

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former former LA cop he put Lazar

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through four tests and concluded there

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was no attempt to deceive he felt there

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was credibility regarding what Lazar had

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to say and he sent the results to three

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different polygraphers and all found the

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results truthful

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the interesting part to me was 54

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minutes into the film bob is referencing

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the disk or a disk and talking about

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looking inside of it and he said that

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the size of the seats the craft were

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very small and he says it just led me to

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believe the size of the alien cadavers I

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saw the size of the seats inside sorted

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to just reconfirm that he felt that the

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alien cadet cadavers he saw wouldn't

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have fit the size of the seats inside of

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the craft now he's comparing these sizes

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to confirm his suspicions the craft was

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designed for small beings the part

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that's conflicting to me however is

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forty seven minute mark that he never

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saw an alien at area 51 should be fair

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talking about any living billions and he

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didn't see any aliens walking around

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there so he did say aliens were

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nicknamed also just a random thing

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Aryans were nicknamed the kids at area

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to that once I get through everybody a

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few points are gonna get brought up as

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everybody's sort of thumbnail assessment

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of the movie Chris it's a your turn now

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how'd you like the movie I've been

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working on I'm gonna go out on a limb

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and guess so that you like one word to

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describe is bombshell ah this for me

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confirmed a lot of other data points

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ahead research before the film that I

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didn't know I mean I don't know if we

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want to give spoilers I don't know if we

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want to go down that road I don't know

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if Jerry would be cool with that but

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well it's a fact about the case go ahead

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Jerry Korbel found like pig pen and my

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cig pen did not deny that he is the one

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that basically gave hit Bob Lazar the

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security clearance for working at area

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51 no he didn't talk about s4 but he did

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give him security clearance the fact

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that he won't go on camera sucks but the

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fact that Jimmy found them and that he's

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a real person

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yeah another name that again Bob knew

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somehow and jury tracked him down and

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find him that is HUGE

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the other part for me that was very

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interesting is the fact where they found

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tape with like what a couple seconds

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worth of footage were they were messing

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with element 115 I went back and our old

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documentary were good old John Lear says

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Bob took multiple pieces of element 115

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and kept them so I don't know maybe

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that's why the FBI was raising him I

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mean that's kinda what it is proposed in

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the film I don't know if that's

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definitive but it is strange that they

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had everybody in there brother

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who come in commenced on to that United

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you clear up here in Michigan it's

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pretty crazy but no I love the film

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everything about it was great

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so yeah okay I Chris real quick how far

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is that place from you

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or more you're at about three and a half

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hours okay I was gonna say it was right

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around the corner you ought to pop in

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and buy some beryllium offers and Orion

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now your thoughts on the movie yeah I

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really enjoyed the movie I really

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enjoyed seeing Bob's wife seeing his

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good friend Mario seeing the the office

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space of United nuclear listening to one

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of the employees talk seeing Bob through

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a different lens than you'll typically

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see if you scoured youtube for bob lazar

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videos getting a more human side of him

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so yeah overall I enjoyed it I thought

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the visuals were really attractive and I

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thought that actually I like the

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background music as well so overall I

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really enjoyed it and for me I gotta be

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honest I'll be fair here first because

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the hunt for the skinwalker film that

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Jeremy did I was released not too long

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ago I saw that and I gotta say I was

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pleasantly surprised okay but

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pleasantly discipline disappointed by

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this particular film and I think I can

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explain why in a bit of a nutshell

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looking at the facts of skinwalker okay

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they're pretty well established a lot of

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resources have gone into researching

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this place

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scientists gear time the actual purchase

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of the property itself so a lot of

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resources have gone into this and the

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net result of all of it is nobody really

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seems to know what the hell they're

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dealing with out there okay so the

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approach he used for that film worked

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very very well the approach that he used

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for this film about Bob there's a lot

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there that's on the table I mean you can

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believe as much or as little of it or

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none of it or all of it as you want but

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it's out there and like they're out

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there all still a lot of unanswered

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questions and I would say there was only

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one thing that this film actually did a

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little bit of it did better not a little

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bit but it did better than the original

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Bob's own documentary from 1992 and that

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was a bob actually made the point that

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those are the three cylindrical devices

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in the bottom of the the gravity

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amplifiers there you go or actually

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targeted towards a particular point in

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space he doesn't go into that detail in

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his original documentary and he did

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explain that a little bit better but

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still there are an awful lot of

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unanswered questions about this and if

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he knows this stuff and he worked on it

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it's essential that that information get

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out yes he did go into a lot of detail

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in his own documentary but still there

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were awful lot of unanswered questions

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he seemed that maybe he realized that

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was about that but that's really the

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only area the only one point where this

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documentary actually bested the earlier

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Bob self-produced documentary and

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otherwise I have to admit I was a little

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bit disappointed with this film i I

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don't think it did the entire story the

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the justice that could have and should

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have

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again if Bob really has what he says he

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has yeah okay it's really nice that we

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saw a more human side but to be honest

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with you hey the the full documentary

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that he did himself him cruising up in

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the Corvette and then getting out and I

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don't care if you believe me or not and

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all this I mean that's Bob - and that's

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a that gives a pretty good insight into

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what the guys all about and I thought

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that was this the the essential document

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that you really want to take a look at

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if you want to get a good idea of what

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this story is all about so okay so

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there's that so we got that not

405
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surprisingly a mixed bag of opinions on

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the movie itself okay now there was at

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one point now i well i ryan you had

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mentioned his buddy mario santa cruz and

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you being particularly impressed with

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that guy I was as well but Mario was

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really the only person or point that was

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brought up in the entire film that sort

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of a backed up Bob's claim that at least

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he hung around there was on campus at

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Cal Tech back in the day that's a long

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way from actually demonstrating that

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he's got masters a master's degree from

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Cal Tech let alone MIT which is on the

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other side of the country

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so as about the again the the academic

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background I frankly don't believe that

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he does have master's degrees from those

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two colleges forgetting about the fact

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that the claim has been that the the

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records were wiped

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you simply can't wipe everything out

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about a person's experience it takes us

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at least a year sometimes two sometimes

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more to get a master's degree you know

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before you have the master's degree you

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are a grad student you are working with

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people it's not like you're taking a

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bunch of intro to this or that courses

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where you're in this auditorium and

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maybe there's 200 or more students I

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mean these are these are fairly small

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operations you know you you live in an

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area especially if he goes to the East

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Coast and he's

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living either in or near Cambridge Mass

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you're renting a place maybe you have a

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job that where you're supporting

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yourself while you're going through the

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school again that you've got colleagues

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they're going through the same type of

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program you've got professors it just

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doesn't add up

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I can understand where Korbel doesn't

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care if he was home-schooled the map

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doesn't care but he made Lazar made the

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claims and the least he can do okay it's

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something that maybe a younger guy did a

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guy who was roughly 30 at the time but

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why not just own up to it yeah because I

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I don't think in any way shape or form

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it's ever been demonstrated that he has

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those advanced degrees from those

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institutions anybody want to jump in

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there on that my only question to that

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rebuttal I should say is when he was

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being prosecuted in court and they

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couldn't find the records - when you

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think they would have thrown the book at

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him but somehow he got out that is not

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clear on how he exactly got our wiggled

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his way out of you know not seeing time

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behind bars well well I mean I would say

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it's not an especially serious crime

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being involved with prostitution a

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victimless crime where there's no

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criminal record you know yeah but the

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feds were pushing very hard to throw the

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book at him and he didn't that that has

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to be stated for fact is it is fact

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they're gonna throw the book at him and

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they but but but ultimately it's a judge

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that decides what the prosecutor well

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you don't think they can sway the judge

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are you so okay go ahead no I'm just

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saying and me III to me

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they went looking to and they couldn't

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find it so really I I agree with Jeremy

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looking for his college degrees is kind

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of pointless it's going down

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we're muddying our tires and getting

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stuck in the same old rigmarole and I

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know that we have to talk about it it's

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great but I it we're not talking about

489
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like the implications of what he's

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saying and right right again

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right right yeah oh yeah we're

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absolutely going to get there so yeah I

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I don't want to spend all day on this

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now one thing I did not see is that they

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were apparently a bonus material I have

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not seen that James you said that you

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did and in that bonus material you know

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when you get a master's degree you get a

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sheepskin you get that diploma and the

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reason why Bob there is a reason that

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Bob claims he does not have possession

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of that and you want to go and share

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with the folks what that is James oh

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yeah I mean they mentioned before I

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think they mentioned even before that

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you know prior to the film that I think

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his uh his wife commits suicide and he

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never went back to the house because

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there was to troubling for them and

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that's where allegedly all his uh his

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degrees were so I mean somebody else

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cleans out the house and you know that

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material went somewhere if it in fact

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exists I buy into that but ok yeah

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anybody else want to chime in on the

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academic claims about the master's

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degrees yeah go ahead

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okay sure thank you um I think I vaguely

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remember listening to John Lear in the

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video when he said that he had the

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transcripts of Lazar on his desk

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something like that and then when he

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went back to look for them they had

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disappeared but I have to double-check

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on that but I think I remembered that

526
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that was the case for John there I think

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that is the case I remember hearing that

528
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yeah what I was gonna say is if he did

529
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attend Caltech or MIT you would hope

530
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that you know you know he seems like a

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pretty sociable guy and you would think

532
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that one of his friends from when he was

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attending those universities or you

534
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would at least hope would come forward

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and say yeah i hanged out with bob lazar

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and we we were both classmates and as

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far as I know that has not

538
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taking place that that still to me as a

539
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problem and another thing is Korbel is

540
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saying he doesn't care if he was home

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school he's not saying yeah I believe

542
00:25:34,169 --> 00:25:31,419
Bob has those master's degrees nap

543
00:25:36,330 --> 00:25:34,179
remember and nap also looked very very

544
00:25:38,850 --> 00:25:36,340
hard for some kind of corroborating

545
00:25:41,009 --> 00:25:38,860
evidence that Lazar has those advanced

546
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:41,019
degrees he couldn't find it again he's

547
00:25:44,940 --> 00:25:42,970
saying that that he doesn't care and

548
00:25:46,889 --> 00:25:44,950
again as to an extent that I don't

549
00:25:49,979 --> 00:25:46,899
disagree but you just you can't ignore

550
00:25:52,649 --> 00:25:49,989
it we have to well here's another point

551
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:52,659
how in the hell would he been able to

552
00:26:00,239 --> 00:25:54,970
work at los almos without a college

553
00:26:02,909 --> 00:26:00,249
degree it's possible I mean I think it's

554
00:26:06,509 --> 00:26:02,919
possible to work for a quasi state-run

555
00:26:09,389 --> 00:26:06,519
agency or a government agency without a

556
00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:09,399
degree and even still be in the position

557
00:26:16,529 --> 00:26:13,710
of a physicist I think that's possible I

558
00:26:18,269 --> 00:26:16,539
know it's not crazy I think there's UFO

559
00:26:22,669 --> 00:26:18,279
researchers we may want to look into

560
00:26:25,109 --> 00:26:22,679
that yeah well that's what's Dan Davis

561
00:26:27,779 --> 00:26:25,119
states and Friedman excuse me used to

562
00:26:30,090 --> 00:26:27,789
use as an argument against Bob Lazar is

563
00:26:32,220 --> 00:26:30,100
well you know how you gonna be a

564
00:26:33,570 --> 00:26:32,230
scientist a physicist when you don't

565
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:33,580
have a college education but the way I

566
00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:37,210
see it the fact that you know there are

567
00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:39,609
no credentials that we can pin down for

568
00:26:46,590 --> 00:26:43,960
Bob Lazar helps argue that he both the

569
00:26:48,060 --> 00:26:46,600
fact that there isn't credentials helps

570
00:26:50,849 --> 00:26:48,070
argue that he could have been a

571
00:26:56,340 --> 00:26:50,859
physicist at s4 because you look at you

572
00:26:58,739 --> 00:26:56,350
know you look at air Snowden he dropped

573
00:27:01,710 --> 00:26:58,749
out of high school he didn't get any

574
00:27:04,379 --> 00:27:01,720
college degrees and when you when you

575
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:04,389
read about Snowden everyone says he was

576
00:27:08,729 --> 00:27:06,850
the smartest guy in the room he was

577
00:27:11,159 --> 00:27:08,739
capable of stealing secrets from the NSA

578
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:11,169
and in leaving the country and he

579
00:27:15,389 --> 00:27:13,210
doesn't have a college degree and he and

580
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:15,399
he who certainly was a top guy at the

581
00:27:21,749 --> 00:27:19,090
NSA so we can certainly believe that

582
00:27:25,139 --> 00:27:21,759
it's very possible that Bob Lazar was a

583
00:27:28,049 --> 00:27:25,149
physicist at s4 if he did not have a

584
00:27:32,009 --> 00:27:28,059
college education well but at the same

585
00:27:33,090 --> 00:27:32,019
time but at the same time he he might

586
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:33,100
have had a he might

587
00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:35,650
had a degree because it's rare that you

588
00:27:39,419 --> 00:27:37,900
would work at los alamos if you didn't

589
00:27:41,250 --> 00:27:39,429
have a degree so you can you can look at

590
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:41,260
it through both angles I think you're

591
00:27:45,810 --> 00:27:42,880
right um I think the government has done

592
00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:45,820
stranger things as far as hiring people

593
00:27:51,659 --> 00:27:49,809
with or without degrees but I think it's

594
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:51,669
possible that the government may not

595
00:27:56,909 --> 00:27:54,690
have wanted him to have a degree

596
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:56,919
probably the best way to say it is maybe

597
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:58,480
they wanted him because he didn't have

598
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:01,600
degrees exactly I was just gonna say

599
00:28:05,789 --> 00:28:03,520
maybe he was the perfect candidate

600
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:05,799
exactly what they were looking for yeah

601
00:28:12,180 --> 00:28:08,320
because and I know I'm kind of jumping

602
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:12,190
ahead but the government knew that he

603
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:15,250
was friends with John Lear before he

604
00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:19,210
worked at s4 that is a fact

605
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:23,289
they knew he was friends with John Lear

606
00:28:28,919 --> 00:28:26,110
so the fact that they all they hired him

607
00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:28,929
and he went the work is huge

608
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:31,480
uh I know grant Cameron has made this

609
00:28:36,779 --> 00:28:33,610
point too but I think it kinda gets lost

610
00:28:38,940 --> 00:28:36,789
in translation for people well when you

611
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:38,950
consider how secretive s4 was you have

612
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:41,049
to assume that whoever is in charge of

613
00:28:45,419 --> 00:28:43,090
hiring is doing is investigating the

614
00:28:47,070 --> 00:28:45,429
character the personality profile of who

615
00:28:48,930 --> 00:28:47,080
they're going to hire because the

616
00:28:50,460 --> 00:28:48,940
security is so over the top there's no

617
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:50,470
way that they would hire someone like a

618
00:28:54,690 --> 00:28:52,690
renowned scientists a renowned scientist

619
00:28:56,909 --> 00:28:54,700
with all kinds of degrees and who is

620
00:28:58,529 --> 00:28:56,919
well known it would be much more

621
00:29:00,450 --> 00:28:58,539
difficult to be able to trust a person

622
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:00,460
like that from coming forward than

623
00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:03,490
someone like Bob Lazar and also as has

624
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,230
been mentioned Bob Lazar is an eccentric

625
00:29:08,539 --> 00:29:07,360
you know he built jet powered cars jet

626
00:29:10,890 --> 00:29:08,549
powered bikes

627
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:10,900
he wasn't very conventional in many

628
00:29:15,570 --> 00:29:13,840
respects and so if there was a security

629
00:29:18,419 --> 00:29:15,580
breach of some sort he would be the

630
00:29:21,299 --> 00:29:18,429
perfect candidate candidate to candidate

631
00:29:23,549 --> 00:29:21,309
to discredit whereas if you if you had a

632
00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:23,559
heavy hitter scientists come in s4 and

633
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:27,700
and and you and you're so obsessed with

634
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:29,710
secrecy that's not what you want you do

635
00:29:33,899 --> 00:29:32,799
not want the renowned physicist you want

636
00:29:36,750 --> 00:29:33,909
someone who's a little bit more low-key

637
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:36,760
and ideally an eccentric so that you can

638
00:29:40,890 --> 00:29:38,559
say hey this guy's crazy just look at it

639
00:29:43,230 --> 00:29:40,900
just look at look at what he's into and

640
00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:43,240
that's probably what s4 wanted when they

641
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:44,710
when they hire scientists or at least

642
00:29:47,940 --> 00:29:46,330
you could make that argument

643
00:29:49,769 --> 00:29:47,950
yeah I like that theory that's really

644
00:29:52,110 --> 00:29:49,779
interesting it would make sense I mean

645
00:29:55,470 --> 00:29:52,120
the Lazar himself has stated when he was

646
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:55,480
at s4 it was not conducive to scientific

647
00:30:00,029 --> 00:29:58,090
work I mean Ryan last time you or I were

648
00:30:03,149 --> 00:30:00,039
on the show we talked the fact that

649
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:03,159
there was only 22 people at s4 in the

650
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:06,130
most of them were of military background

651
00:30:12,269 --> 00:30:08,970
not scientific that has to be noteworthy

652
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:12,279
because the other part that Bob doesn't

653
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:15,279
really talk about is they almost used

654
00:30:20,129 --> 00:30:17,890
mind control on him yelling at him

655
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,139
asking him why haven't you made any

656
00:30:24,570 --> 00:30:22,240
progress I mean getting right up in his

657
00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:24,580
grill and screaming at him and his uh

658
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:27,929
coworker I can't think of his name was

659
00:30:33,870 --> 00:30:31,090
yeah bury him and bury get yelled at all

660
00:30:36,269 --> 00:30:33,880
the time and that's just how things

661
00:30:38,129 --> 00:30:36,279
worked over there I guess or still might

662
00:30:39,870 --> 00:30:38,139
be yeah the next toss-up question let's

663
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:39,880
go around the horn does anyone doubt

664
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:42,970
that Lazar didn't or does anyone doubt

665
00:30:47,940 --> 00:30:45,490
that that Lazar didn't actually work

666
00:31:02,100 --> 00:30:47,950
where he said he worked at area 51 ask

667
00:31:07,049 --> 00:31:02,110
an s4 I don't too much evidence for it

668
00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:07,059
yeah way too much yeah yeah George Knapp

669
00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:09,299
was really Cyril on that I mean he

670
00:31:13,889 --> 00:31:11,260
George Knapp you gotta give him credit

671
00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:13,899
that he you know there were things that

672
00:31:17,490 --> 00:31:15,700
he couldn't prove but the things that he

673
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:17,500
could prove or you know that he could

674
00:31:22,019 --> 00:31:19,690
build a case for he he nailed down on

675
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:22,029
you know to the fact where he had those

676
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:24,850
I think it was like four people from

677
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:27,370
area 51 basically sit in the room and

678
00:31:31,139 --> 00:31:29,919
interrogate Bob Lazar and you know I'm

679
00:31:32,370 --> 00:31:31,149
sure he didn't say hey Bob I'm gonna

680
00:31:35,370 --> 00:31:32,380
have you meet these guys I'm sure he

681
00:31:37,289 --> 00:31:35,380
kind of surprised them with it and they

682
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,299
were convinced that he had been to the

683
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:39,760
facilities at least of area 51 and if

684
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:42,730
you place him at area 51 you know it's

685
00:31:49,649 --> 00:31:46,110
good enough to say he went to s4 okay

686
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:49,659
yeah I I believe he worked there the

687
00:31:57,169 --> 00:31:54,490
hand ID scanner to get into s4 um that

688
00:31:59,700 --> 00:31:57,179
was made by I think the identity were

689
00:32:00,120 --> 00:31:59,710
yummy I got I've got the picture of it

690
00:32:02,220 --> 00:32:00,130
and

691
00:32:04,890 --> 00:32:02,230
so I they they touched on it a little

692
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:04,900
bit in the film but you found some

693
00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:06,610
additional information about that so go

694
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,750
ahead and share that works because I

695
00:32:12,750 --> 00:32:09,760
think this is really interesting and it

696
00:32:14,430 --> 00:32:12,760
does definitely add to the lazarre's

697
00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:14,440
claim that he did in fact work there

698
00:32:20,130 --> 00:32:17,230
right so the identity

699
00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:20,140
hand geometry device which was launched

700
00:32:27,270 --> 00:32:23,230
in the early 1970s by the ident emission

701
00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:27,280
corp it adapted a head reader concept

702
00:32:35,970 --> 00:32:30,760
developed and patented by Robert P

703
00:32:37,860 --> 00:32:35,980
Miller and it was actually created to

704
00:32:39,150 --> 00:32:37,870
measure the length of the four digits

705
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:39,160
and compared the finger Lake

706
00:32:44,850 --> 00:32:42,730
measurements to basically ensure it was

707
00:32:46,380 --> 00:32:44,860
a rudimentary identification device kind

708
00:32:48,150 --> 00:32:46,390
of like how we would scan people's

709
00:32:51,060 --> 00:32:48,160
retinas now when they go into a building

710
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:51,070
as an employee well they use that to

711
00:32:57,540 --> 00:32:52,810
identify people when they're going in

712
00:33:02,220 --> 00:32:57,550
and out of s4 and it was actually

713
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:02,230
created for high security facilities for

714
00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:04,690
the US Department of Energy Western

715
00:33:11,370 --> 00:33:07,710
Electric and the very people who hired

716
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:11,380
Bob Lazar to work at us for which was

717
00:33:16,110 --> 00:33:14,290
the US Naval Intelligence yeah that is a

718
00:33:18,540 --> 00:33:16,120
lazarre's claim that he did work for

719
00:33:20,820 --> 00:33:18,550
u.s. naval intelligence so this is a

720
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:20,830
this is a significant fine there chin

721
00:33:27,330 --> 00:33:23,050
nice job yes an excellent point

722
00:33:29,730 --> 00:33:27,340
yeah and that's huge yeah this looks

723
00:33:31,860 --> 00:33:29,740
like the picture I've got up looks like

724
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:31,870
the same picture that Korbel showed

725
00:33:36,510 --> 00:33:34,210
Lazar got quite a reaction from him in

726
00:33:39,510 --> 00:33:36,520
the movie yeah he did and I would just

727
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:39,520
like to add um this is nothing against

728
00:33:43,470 --> 00:33:41,770
Jeremy because I know he probably had an

729
00:33:46,260 --> 00:33:43,480
incredible amount on his plate for this

730
00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:46,270
film because it takes a lot to do a film

731
00:33:52,170 --> 00:33:48,990
and it's really easy to criticize it um

732
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:52,180
but when he handed that picture to Bob

733
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:54,970
and Bob looked so thrilled to be able to

734
00:34:01,290 --> 00:33:58,240
recognize it and feel validated by it I

735
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:01,300
think that was really important at the

736
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:04,330
only part that I have you know if I had

737
00:34:09,060 --> 00:34:06,490
Jeremy in front of me I would ask him

738
00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:09,070
why did he not take it upon himself to

739
00:34:13,890 --> 00:34:11,730
do a little bit more diligent research

740
00:34:17,010 --> 00:34:13,900
just to find out more about

741
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:17,020
this device to connect it like I did in

742
00:34:23,310 --> 00:34:20,650
this respect any may or and just chose

743
00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:23,320
not to include it but you know they're

744
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,910
considering it yeah I getting back to

745
00:34:30,180 --> 00:34:27,040
the film a little bit some of the things

746
00:34:32,130 --> 00:34:30,190
that were included in the film I don't

747
00:34:34,260 --> 00:34:32,140
know why he did that if he spent five

748
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:34,270
minutes going over the the hypnosis

749
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:36,010
which I thought was kind of a waste of

750
00:34:41,010 --> 00:34:38,170
time I mean Bob seemed to swear by on

751
00:34:42,420 --> 00:34:41,020
the one hand but no it's it's a 95

752
00:34:45,450 --> 00:34:42,430
minute film and you spend five minutes

753
00:34:47,910 --> 00:34:45,460
on that when there was so much more that

754
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:47,920
he could have included like apparently

755
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:50,410
yeah in the bonus material a Korbel

756
00:34:56,070 --> 00:34:52,510
found a guy who'd worked there as well

757
00:34:59,490 --> 00:34:56,080
and said yeah Lazar was a physicist

758
00:35:00,990 --> 00:34:59,500
there that he you know that's what he

759
00:35:04,860 --> 00:35:01,000
did there you know he wasn't some flunky

760
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:04,870
he was working there as a physicist and

761
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:06,490
that's in the bonus material I believe

762
00:35:11,580 --> 00:35:08,530
which unfortunately I haven't seen so

763
00:35:15,390 --> 00:35:11,590
well he's got more bonus footage I know

764
00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:15,400
for a trailer jeremy has Baba's are

765
00:35:20,670 --> 00:35:18,460
watching the gimbal video and Jeremy has

766
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:20,680
stated at least through social media

767
00:35:24,210 --> 00:35:22,330
that that will be released through

768
00:35:26,250 --> 00:35:24,220
social media hearing a not too distant

769
00:35:34,290 --> 00:35:26,260
future because that's gonna be very

770
00:35:36,570 --> 00:35:34,300
interesting okay so let's say let's say

771
00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:36,580
I go let me get bring up a point that I

772
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:37,990
think is a very interesting that's have

773
00:35:43,530 --> 00:35:40,510
been brought up around the internet and

774
00:35:46,980 --> 00:35:43,540
it was not brought up at all not touched

775
00:35:50,250 --> 00:35:46,990
at all on in the film and that is the

776
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:50,260
fact that Robert Bigelow who Korbel

777
00:35:54,540 --> 00:35:52,000
interviewed as part of his skinwalker

778
00:35:57,300 --> 00:35:54,550
ranch movie and Bob Lazar at one point

779
00:35:59,460 --> 00:35:57,310
warned a corporation and worked together

780
00:36:02,750 --> 00:35:59,470
they were both officers this is a matter

781
00:36:05,310 --> 00:36:02,760
of public record the Zeta Reticuli to

782
00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:05,320
corporation not sure exactly what they

783
00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:05,940
did

784
00:36:17,010 --> 00:36:13,510
Korbel nor or excuse me on either

785
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:17,020
al-azhar or Bigelow we're asked about

786
00:36:21,150 --> 00:36:19,210
this and this seems to be pretty

787
00:36:24,540 --> 00:36:21,160
interesting and worthy of some follow-up

788
00:36:25,660 --> 00:36:24,550
any thoughts on that maybe they don't

789
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:25,670
want to talk about it

790
00:36:36,009 --> 00:36:34,480
maybe something that they jumped on and

791
00:36:38,410 --> 00:36:36,019
nothing really became of it so they just

792
00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:38,420
wrote them out of the road you know what

793
00:36:42,430 --> 00:36:40,430
if you're a you're a journalist you ask

794
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:42,440
the tough questions even if you don't

795
00:36:46,359 --> 00:36:44,210
get an answer sometimes the night actors

796
00:36:49,269 --> 00:36:46,369
are telling you know what I mean anyone

797
00:36:50,859 --> 00:36:49,279
else I have any thoughts on that maybe

798
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:50,869
oh go ahead check

799
00:36:54,989 --> 00:36:52,880
oh it just sounds like it's just you

800
00:36:58,269 --> 00:36:54,999
know it sounds like two very strange

801
00:37:01,269 --> 00:36:58,279
personalities getting together it's just

802
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:01,279
an odd odd marriage of two you know and

803
00:37:07,859 --> 00:37:04,160
it sounds odd for these two people to

804
00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:07,869
get together to do to create a company

805
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:10,910
to me it doesn't sound strange at all I

806
00:37:19,660 --> 00:37:16,609
mean if if Bob Bigelow knew or had a

807
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:19,670
hint that Bob Lazar really did take a

808
00:37:24,309 --> 00:37:22,609
piece or multiple pieces of element 115

809
00:37:26,109 --> 00:37:24,319
when you think they would want the

810
00:37:32,799 --> 00:37:26,119
former company to work together

811
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:32,809
I don't think this is a stated that he

812
00:37:37,989 --> 00:37:35,359
knows that the et presence is here all

813
00:37:41,319 --> 00:37:37,999
right we all saw that 60-minute piece no

814
00:37:46,029 --> 00:37:41,329
yeah I think he's all he's a lot closer

815
00:37:50,109 --> 00:37:46,039
to truth versus even maybe the the DoD

816
00:37:54,220 --> 00:37:50,119
might be well if he's gonna get raided

817
00:37:56,799 --> 00:37:54,230
over element 115 by the FBI I don't

818
00:37:58,690 --> 00:37:56,809
think that would last very long between

819
00:38:02,799 --> 00:37:58,700
he and Bigelow that was that was the

820
00:38:05,259 --> 00:38:02,809
basis for their company well we don't

821
00:38:06,579 --> 00:38:05,269
know yeah yeah we really don't know a

822
00:38:08,380 --> 00:38:06,589
whole lot about that but that is

823
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:08,390
something that we would certainly like

824
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:11,119
to find out about and if you ever get

825
00:38:18,549 --> 00:38:15,890
the the chance to ask Jeremy or Bob or

826
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:18,559
either of the Bob's certainly that would

827
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:19,849
be one of the first questions that I

828
00:38:25,180 --> 00:38:21,920
would ask what what happened with that

829
00:38:26,829 --> 00:38:25,190
and why didn't it work out although let

830
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:26,839
me yeah let me make at one point about

831
00:38:31,479 --> 00:38:30,170
that Bob is a person which I think he's

832
00:38:33,579 --> 00:38:31,489
a pretty interesting guy and he

833
00:38:36,220 --> 00:38:33,589
definitely seems like the kind of guy

834
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:36,230
who just doesn't fit into rigid systems

835
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:38,610
really well

836
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:42,910
you know a sort of a career entrepreneur

837
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:45,610
looks like he's had to you the United

838
00:38:49,740 --> 00:38:47,650
nuclear business going for 20 years now

839
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:49,750
so he's been doing that for quite some

840
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:52,240
time but before that obviously we

841
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:54,160
already discussed that he was involved

842
00:38:59,220 --> 00:38:57,130
in the the brothel in business at one

843
00:39:02,490 --> 00:38:59,230
point in some way shape or form or

844
00:39:04,410 --> 00:39:02,500
whether it was a I I think as I recall

845
00:39:06,930 --> 00:39:04,420
he was some sort of a consultant but

846
00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:06,940
I've seen also that he bought in so I'm

847
00:39:12,030 --> 00:39:08,590
not a hundred percent sure on where

848
00:39:16,050 --> 00:39:12,040
where I gotta leave he roped computer

849
00:39:20,220 --> 00:39:16,060
like a computer script or a code to

850
00:39:30,359 --> 00:39:20,230
basically have a data entry point for

851
00:39:32,420 --> 00:39:30,369
the hookers so they could get that's

852
00:39:35,070 --> 00:39:32,430
what I always thought but then I heard

853
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:35,080
call sort and I should have had made a

854
00:39:38,940 --> 00:39:36,970
note of the source on this but he

855
00:39:41,070 --> 00:39:38,950
actually bought into the services

856
00:39:43,620 --> 00:39:41,080
actually part I think it was the kind of

857
00:39:47,070 --> 00:39:43,630
sewer of ladies of the night too but

858
00:39:51,180 --> 00:39:47,080
whatever who cares yeah I agree

859
00:39:53,580 --> 00:39:51,190
who cares yeah but again it she's sort

860
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:53,590
of a serial entrepreneur he's starting

861
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:55,359
missus he also had the the photo

862
00:39:59,250 --> 00:39:57,760
processing lab in his house too and that

863
00:40:02,099 --> 00:39:59,260
was a bit of a business for him as well

864
00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:02,109
so this is a guy who's kind of kind of

865
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:04,150
like calling his own shots more or less

866
00:40:08,460 --> 00:40:06,850
and if I could see how that might have

867
00:40:11,460 --> 00:40:08,470
been an issue with a him working with

868
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:11,470
Bigelow who's may be from the same bent

869
00:40:14,490 --> 00:40:13,090
and it's just two guys too much alike

870
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:14,500
and they weren't able to work together

871
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:16,570
it's hard to say they're just just

872
00:40:23,070 --> 00:40:20,410
speculating here well yeah I I don't

873
00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:23,080
know but from what I've read it seems

874
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:26,280
like he comes across as having a big ego

875
00:40:31,950 --> 00:40:28,960
you know difficult to work with that's

876
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:31,960
my understanding but that's yeah we're

877
00:40:44,690 --> 00:40:34,090
worried about town Aziza doesn't have a

878
00:40:54,809 --> 00:40:47,970
anything else about the movie stand out

879
00:40:56,099 --> 00:40:54,819
for anybody well I want one thing I

880
00:40:57,870 --> 00:40:56,109
thought I want to cover is you know

881
00:41:01,170 --> 00:40:57,880
people there's a lot of people who still

882
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,180
doubt that he was even a physicist at

883
00:41:06,299 --> 00:41:03,280
Los Alamos you know believe it or not

884
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,309
that's still an issue for people no

885
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:08,079
that's ridiculous to me it's just

886
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:12,569
utterly ridiculous and Frank Frank yeah

887
00:41:18,990 --> 00:41:15,490
did you get those images in I did

888
00:41:21,150 --> 00:41:19,000
they're in here yeah yeah yeah yeah the

889
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:21,160
newspaper clippings let me scoot over to

890
00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:27,040
that jet set 200 miles an hour the jet

891
00:41:33,539 --> 00:41:28,329
car there he is

892
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,549
MBI Los Alamos monitor it looks like 81

893
00:41:40,380 --> 00:41:35,920
maybe I can't make out the date on that

894
00:41:42,089 --> 00:41:40,390
so it's a little bit small yeah there he

895
00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:42,099
is it's not the car so much that's

896
00:41:47,069 --> 00:41:44,049
important to the Tsar a physicist at the

897
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:47,079
Los Alamos may saw in physics facility

898
00:41:50,549 --> 00:41:48,970
the important thing is the jet engine

899
00:41:55,890 --> 00:41:50,559
that's something he's been working on

900
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:55,900
for years yeah so I definitely am

901
00:41:59,579 --> 00:41:57,520
interesting point that if you know

902
00:42:05,099 --> 00:41:59,589
because if he was at Los Alamos to begin

903
00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:05,109
with and dr. Crangle I mean the podcast

904
00:42:10,289 --> 00:42:07,240
with Jimmy Korbel with dr. Kringle is

905
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:10,299
huge I I encourage people to listen to

906
00:42:14,970 --> 00:42:13,089
it I know as of two years ago people

907
00:42:17,490 --> 00:42:14,980
didn't even know that even existed I

908
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:17,500
just came across it listen to it I was

909
00:42:21,630 --> 00:42:19,089
blown away I know some people are like

910
00:42:25,319 --> 00:42:21,640
it doesn't really persuade me but I

911
00:42:28,260 --> 00:42:25,329
guess I'm easily persuaded so that's

912
00:42:30,030 --> 00:42:28,270
something that why was the timing off

913
00:42:31,470 --> 00:42:30,040
that he wasn't he found it too late and

914
00:42:33,150 --> 00:42:31,480
he wasn't able to include it in the film

915
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,160
again that's something I would thinking

916
00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:35,440
you would want to put in the movie well

917
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:38,740
we could and I'm gonna throw some shade

918
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:41,049
towards Stan Freeman but the reason why

919
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:43,690
I think Kringle did not go on camera is

920
00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:46,960
because Stan Freeman bugged him so much

921
00:42:51,569 --> 00:42:49,990
after that podcast was released stanton

922
00:42:55,049 --> 00:42:51,579
called him a bunch of times it came a

923
00:42:55,660 --> 00:42:55,059
hard time and basically what it came of

924
00:42:58,539 --> 00:42:55,670
is

925
00:43:01,089 --> 00:42:58,549
Stanton still maintained it well yeah he

926
00:43:04,510 --> 00:43:01,099
was a boss almost but he wasn't a

927
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:04,520
physicist yeah I have an opinion on that

928
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:06,530
here's what really bothers me

929
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:09,530
the idea that dr. Kringle would be would

930
00:43:13,299 --> 00:43:11,210
not have the capacity to distinguish

931
00:43:16,059 --> 00:43:13,309
between someone that is a physicists and

932
00:43:20,260 --> 00:43:16,069
not is ridiculous if indeed it was

933
00:43:22,450 --> 00:43:20,270
difficult to discern the job description

934
00:43:25,809 --> 00:43:22,460
of different people then he probably in

935
00:43:28,210 --> 00:43:25,819
his conversation with he in his

936
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:28,220
conversation that were referencing he

937
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:29,569
would have been like well I can't be

938
00:43:35,380 --> 00:43:32,569
sure he was a scientist but I think he

939
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:35,390
was but his language is is Chris still

940
00:43:39,789 --> 00:43:37,250
clear he was asked without any

941
00:43:42,010 --> 00:43:39,799
qualifications do you know that Bob

942
00:43:45,940 --> 00:43:42,020
Lazar was a physicist at Los Alamos he

943
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:45,950
said yes this idea that you can read you

944
00:43:49,809 --> 00:43:47,930
can read through the transcript and come

945
00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:49,819
to any other conclusion absolutely it

946
00:43:54,250 --> 00:43:51,710
boggles my mind and anyone who has

947
00:43:55,870 --> 00:43:54,260
trouble deciphering what's going on in

948
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,880
that transcript to me just has

949
00:44:00,220 --> 00:43:56,960
overwhelming bias

950
00:44:02,410 --> 00:44:00,230
I just just to jump in really quick

951
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,420
grant Cameron in the chat says Bigelow

952
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:04,400
bought up everything to do with UFOs it

953
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:06,770
was nothing personal so that there's a

954
00:44:16,210 --> 00:44:08,930
there's grant with his feedback on all

955
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:16,220
that oh no I was gonna say you're for

956
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,450
Jesus sorry right right point it's it

957
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:22,640
boils down to jealousy the end the

958
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:25,490
implications of what does it mean the

959
00:44:29,950 --> 00:44:27,170
fact that bob was telling the truth

960
00:44:31,930 --> 00:44:29,960
it's huge implications and some people

961
00:44:34,089 --> 00:44:31,940
don't want and to deal with that they

962
00:44:37,210 --> 00:44:34,099
don't want the paradigm to be shifted

963
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,220
any way shape or form honestly I feel

964
00:44:42,940 --> 00:44:39,680
there's a few useful researchers I'm not

965
00:44:45,099 --> 00:44:42,950
gonna name names who don't want this to

966
00:44:46,839 --> 00:44:45,109
be solved not that we're gonna solve it

967
00:44:49,089 --> 00:44:46,849
but they don't want to be solved they

968
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:49,099
they want it now I don't want to say

969
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:50,960
like they're they're chasing the

970
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:52,970
almighty dollar but they don't want

971
00:45:03,039 --> 00:44:57,440
solved in this so much that what Lazar

972
00:45:05,020 --> 00:45:03,049
says is does seem like some of them have

973
00:45:06,970 --> 00:45:05,030
an ulterior motive in my opinion and

974
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:06,980
yeah look if I'm if I'm off-base then

975
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:08,569
someone show me how I'm off-base and

976
00:45:12,460 --> 00:45:09,440
I'll stand correct

977
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:12,470
but when I look at that transcript that

978
00:45:19,260 --> 00:45:16,640
was had with Crangle just it's so

979
00:45:22,359 --> 00:45:19,270
crystal clear and this is a guy with a

980
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:22,369
PhD from MIT very scientific minded very

981
00:45:26,829 --> 00:45:24,890
exacting in his language that's sort of

982
00:45:29,950 --> 00:45:26,839
the culture and for him to say friend to

983
00:45:32,140 --> 00:45:29,960
be asked was he a physicist do you know

984
00:45:34,329 --> 00:45:32,150
that he was a physicist at Los Alamos

985
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:34,339
and he would in his responses yes I just

986
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:37,040
I just blows my mind that people try to

987
00:45:40,210 --> 00:45:38,569
do all kinds of mental gymnastics and

988
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:40,220
say well that doesn't necessarily mean

989
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:41,930
he knew well if he didn't know he was a

990
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:43,310
scientist then he would have been he

991
00:45:46,990 --> 00:45:45,290
would have qualified and said well it's

992
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:47,000
really difficult at Los Alamos because

993
00:45:50,290 --> 00:45:49,010
there's technicians there's janitors

994
00:45:52,359 --> 00:45:50,300
there's this and there's that so I'm not

995
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,369
sure he there was no hesitation he just

996
00:45:54,700 --> 00:45:54,319
said yeah I my understanding is he was a

997
00:45:56,589 --> 00:45:54,710
Sukkah

998
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:56,599
he was a scientist and the idea that an

999
00:46:01,300 --> 00:45:59,359
Internet expert would be better equipped

1000
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:01,310
to discern whether someone was a

1001
00:46:05,859 --> 00:46:04,010
scientist or not in comparison to a guy

1002
00:46:09,370 --> 00:46:05,869
who actually worked at the facility is

1003
00:46:12,460 --> 00:46:09,380
absolutely ridiculous Ryan helped me out

1004
00:46:15,069 --> 00:46:12,470
in the interview doesn't Crangle say

1005
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:15,079
that he said in a security briefing with

1006
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:25,329
denying facts at this point you're just

1007
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:28,640
denying facts so I'm just gonna call you

1008
00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:34,400
up with UFO Jesus do we have anything

1009
00:46:39,579 --> 00:46:37,910
else on the movie well I wanted to bring

1010
00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:39,589
up what Bob thought were the most

1011
00:46:45,370 --> 00:46:43,369
important points to him of all and that

1012
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:45,380
is the suppression of extremely advanced

1013
00:46:49,630 --> 00:46:47,359
technology and the suppression of

1014
00:46:53,290 --> 00:46:49,640
unknown science that's what he said he

1015
00:46:56,829 --> 00:46:53,300
said those two things are the most

1016
00:46:59,650 --> 00:46:56,839
important to him and he also felt that

1017
00:47:01,809 --> 00:46:59,660
there is another civilization out there

1018
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:01,819
extra to extraterrestrial civilization

1019
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:03,770
and that it's a crime not to tell

1020
00:47:08,140 --> 00:47:06,079
humanity about that and I just thought

1021
00:47:10,450 --> 00:47:08,150
it was interesting that he said that we

1022
00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:10,460
have in our possession meaning the US

1023
00:47:18,380 --> 00:47:13,849
government artifacts from extra from an

1024
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:21,630
again its implications I mean that there

1025
00:47:26,430 --> 00:47:25,090
is daunting to some people so they of

1026
00:47:28,770 --> 00:47:26,440
course are gonna deny it

1027
00:47:31,230 --> 00:47:28,780
that they don't want to have anything to

1028
00:47:33,930 --> 00:47:31,240
do with that they they'll go and they'll

1029
00:47:36,810 --> 00:47:33,940
say well the ET hypothesis doesn't

1030
00:47:40,830 --> 00:47:36,820
explain this or that and I get that but

1031
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:40,840
the fact that we have nine craft because

1032
00:47:48,270 --> 00:47:43,810
that's what Lazar said that we had is

1033
00:47:50,460 --> 00:47:48,280
huge I I don't think that he would want

1034
00:47:52,770 --> 00:47:50,470
to just make up a random number and say

1035
00:47:54,420 --> 00:47:52,780
oh yeah we had nine or I saw nine I

1036
00:47:56,580 --> 00:47:54,430
don't think he's that kind of person but

1037
00:47:58,260 --> 00:47:56,590
it again it's the implications and

1038
00:48:01,320 --> 00:47:58,270
people don't want to have to deal with

1039
00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:01,330
that I don't know why I mean I know why

1040
00:48:08,099 --> 00:48:05,230
I think I know why but it's it's just

1041
00:48:10,890 --> 00:48:08,109
you said that people don't want to they

1042
00:48:13,530 --> 00:48:10,900
can't get past that point and it's

1043
00:48:15,630 --> 00:48:13,540
interesting that Lazar his inclination

1044
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:15,640
is that these crafts were discovered in

1045
00:48:22,410 --> 00:48:19,810
an archaeological excavation my

1046
00:48:23,940 --> 00:48:22,420
perspective on how these craft where did

1047
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:23,950
you pick that up Ryan I don't see that

1048
00:48:28,770 --> 00:48:26,800
in the movie uh I don't think it was in

1049
00:48:33,630 --> 00:48:28,780
the movie but I've I just I do is a

1050
00:48:38,220 --> 00:48:33,640
coast to coast it was on that that's

1051
00:48:40,109 --> 00:48:38,230
that's his belief he qualifies that with

1052
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:40,119
he doesn't know that's true he's not

1053
00:48:44,430 --> 00:48:42,970
saying he has any can't substantiate it

1054
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,440
but from the mutterings that he heard

1055
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,240
when he was working at s4 from like his

1056
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:48,400
superiors for some reason that picked

1057
00:48:53,790 --> 00:48:50,770
that picture is painted for hit for him

1058
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:53,800
okay but and I you know let's say Lazar

1059
00:48:57,420 --> 00:48:55,450
is telling the truth and I like I said

1060
00:48:58,920 --> 00:48:57,430
I'm 5050 but I would not be surprised if

1061
00:49:01,859 --> 00:48:58,930
he's telling the truth at all I suspect

1062
00:49:03,630 --> 00:49:01,869
that he might be and it to be clear this

1063
00:49:06,060 --> 00:49:03,640
is my overall picture he's either

1064
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:06,070
telling the truth or he's a

1065
00:49:10,829 --> 00:49:08,800
disinformation agent i I do not believe

1066
00:49:13,050 --> 00:49:10,839
that he I have a hard time believing

1067
00:49:15,329 --> 00:49:13,060
he's just has this deeply imbedded

1068
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,339
pathology that is manifested in the way

1069
00:49:18,780 --> 00:49:17,680
it has for thirty years and people say

1070
00:49:21,300 --> 00:49:18,790
well why would he be a disinformation

1071
00:49:23,099 --> 00:49:21,310
agent by by saying the things he said it

1072
00:49:24,839 --> 00:49:23,109
put all the eyes on on area 51 and

1073
00:49:27,060 --> 00:49:24,849
that's a fair point but at the same time

1074
00:49:28,650 --> 00:49:27,070
now maybe this is far-fetched I don't

1075
00:49:30,810 --> 00:49:28,660
know I'm not an intelligence officer but

1076
00:49:31,859 --> 00:49:30,820
let's say maybe what Bob Lazar wanted to

1077
00:49:34,259 --> 00:49:31,869
do or the people

1078
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:34,269
hired him because he did talk about the

1079
00:49:38,940 --> 00:49:35,950
technology he talked about how it worked

1080
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:38,950
and some of the physics behind it you

1081
00:49:41,579 --> 00:49:40,450
could make the argument I don't know if

1082
00:49:42,749 --> 00:49:41,589
it's a good argument but you could make

1083
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,759
the argument that he was trying to throw

1084
00:49:48,210 --> 00:49:44,559
the Russians and the Chinese off on

1085
00:49:49,650 --> 00:49:48,220
exactly how these crafts work and so in

1086
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:49,660
that in that sense he was a

1087
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,970
disinformation agents but anyway so

1088
00:49:55,410 --> 00:49:53,920
that's just a guess I'm not even saying

1089
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:55,420
I believe that or think that's that that

1090
00:50:02,430 --> 00:50:00,240
it's likely but the whole excavation

1091
00:50:04,049 --> 00:50:02,440
hypothesis that Lazar has is really

1092
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:04,059
interesting it's it suggests that these

1093
00:50:09,509 --> 00:50:07,839
craft are ancient and but my perspective

1094
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:09,519
would be this I don't believe for a

1095
00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:12,130
second that if they were excavated that

1096
00:50:16,529 --> 00:50:14,230
it's just random and humans just came

1097
00:50:20,009 --> 00:50:16,539
across it if a really advanced

1098
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:20,019
civilization left craft somewhere that

1099
00:50:23,759 --> 00:50:21,730
are fully operational and in perfect

1100
00:50:25,410 --> 00:50:23,769
condition then they did so for a purpose

1101
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:25,420
they didn't just see be like you know we

1102
00:50:39,390 --> 00:50:33,690
of the monolith on the moon in 2001 a

1103
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:39,400
Space Odyssey yeah there was 500 pounds

1104
00:50:45,809 --> 00:50:42,880
of 115 somewhere with the craft yeah I

1105
00:50:48,059 --> 00:50:45,819
mean this goes to the point and I don't

1106
00:50:51,089 --> 00:50:48,069
I can't remember if I ate the last time

1107
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:51,099
I was on that in the 1950s the CIA work

1108
00:50:56,849 --> 00:50:54,640
across the globe trying to find ancient

1109
00:51:01,549 --> 00:50:56,859
technologies and could this have been

1110
00:51:04,650 --> 00:51:01,559
not part of weren't that over the Nazis

1111
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:04,660
because James we're gonna get grilled

1112
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:06,970
here people are gonna get us crispy if

1113
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:09,249
we go down that road but yes you are

1114
00:51:13,249 --> 00:51:09,910
correct

1115
00:51:16,109 --> 00:51:13,259
I mean yeah I mean that's a possibility

1116
00:51:18,329 --> 00:51:16,119
no it's a fact that the Nazis went to

1117
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:18,339
Antarctica no debating that they there

1118
00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:19,569
and they put their flags and everything

1119
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:22,329
oh whether what we're doing there you

1120
00:51:25,049 --> 00:51:23,890
can try to debate that but the people

1121
00:51:32,339 --> 00:51:25,059
that were behind that we're into the

1122
00:51:34,410 --> 00:51:32,349
occult and the side note yeah okay so uh

1123
00:51:37,259 --> 00:51:34,420
so we're good on the movie now everybody

1124
00:51:39,059 --> 00:51:37,269
has everything out on the Korbel film

1125
00:51:40,930 --> 00:51:39,069
about Bob that they're they want to

1126
00:51:43,850 --> 00:51:40,940
discuss

1127
00:51:46,970 --> 00:51:43,860
yeah I mean okay so I'll bring it up

1128
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:46,980
it's just a side thing um Bob in the

1129
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:48,450
movie said here's a device that's

1130
00:51:54,860 --> 00:51:50,970
producing gravity and using it as

1131
00:52:01,580 --> 00:51:54,870
propulsion but then I listened to his

1132
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:01,590
own documentary and he said that there

1133
00:52:09,710 --> 00:52:05,730
was no way that anything could produce

1134
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:09,720
gravity for propulsion technology so I

1135
00:52:14,660 --> 00:52:11,610
just it could not it could not produce

1136
00:52:17,810 --> 00:52:14,670
gravity so you know in in the corbels

1137
00:52:19,940 --> 00:52:17,820
film he said that there's a device that

1138
00:52:23,060 --> 00:52:19,950
he saw being the craft that could

1139
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:23,070
produce gravity and then in his old

1140
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:25,650
documentary ten minutes into the film he

1141
00:52:30,260 --> 00:52:26,880
said he didn't know of anything that

1142
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:30,270
could produce gravity so maybe he

1143
00:52:35,540 --> 00:52:33,690
contradicted himself and fixed that

1144
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:35,550
later but I didn't catch it but he did

1145
00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:38,370
contradict himself not me okay yeah and

1146
00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:40,380
let's uh let's get over now since I we

1147
00:52:46,370 --> 00:52:43,140
pretty much wrapped up the Korbel film

1148
00:52:49,310 --> 00:52:46,380
has everybody here seen the original bob

1149
00:52:51,380 --> 00:52:49,320
documentary from 1992 that's when I was

1150
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:51,390
referring to you right right yeah okay

1151
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:52,290
you seen it

1152
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:54,930
Ryan the chance to watch that yeah Chris

1153
00:53:00,500 --> 00:52:57,570
have you watched it yep yeah okay now

1154
00:53:03,290 --> 00:53:00,510
basically that documentary a bob broke

1155
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:03,300
it up into a couple different parts part

1156
00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:07,050
one he talked about the ships and framed

1157
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:10,380
it in such a way that this was material

1158
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:14,490
that he himself could verify then in the

1159
00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:17,130
second part of the documentary that he

1160
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:20,310
produced he discussed being taken into a

1161
00:53:25,580 --> 00:53:22,650
room and shown a number of documents

1162
00:53:29,540 --> 00:53:25,590
essentially an alien Bible sort of type

1163
00:53:31,700 --> 00:53:29,550
thing where the entire history of man's

1164
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:31,710
interaction with the aliens they were

1165
00:53:39,230 --> 00:53:34,170
specifically identified as coming from

1166
00:53:42,140 --> 00:53:39,240
Zita Reticuli and so on let's talk about

1167
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:42,150
that a little bit I myself I think it's

1168
00:53:48,650 --> 00:53:46,170
a very it's interesting but I will say

1169
00:53:49,940 --> 00:53:48,660
this right off the top and Bob was very

1170
00:53:52,049 --> 00:53:49,950
specific about this in his own

1171
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:52,059
documentary too that he couldn't

1172
00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:53,920
verify it that he didn't necessarily and

1173
00:53:57,449 --> 00:53:55,569
the implication there is he didn't

1174
00:54:01,410 --> 00:53:57,459
necessarily believe what he was reading

1175
00:54:04,799 --> 00:54:01,420
was true either and I have to say that

1176
00:54:07,979 --> 00:54:04,809
some of that material shown that he went

1177
00:54:10,739 --> 00:54:07,989
over sounds very much like a lot of FO Z

1178
00:54:13,049 --> 00:54:10,749
which is the Air Force Office of Special

1179
00:54:15,989 --> 00:54:13,059
Investigations like a lot of a fuzzy

1180
00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:15,999
disinformation that was circulating in

1181
00:54:23,489 --> 00:54:20,529
that time frame where they you know I

1182
00:54:24,959 --> 00:54:23,499
would tie sort of known facts that are

1183
00:54:28,410 --> 00:54:24,969
floating around in the field and that

1184
00:54:31,819 --> 00:54:28,420
the the majestic 12 documents they say

1185
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:31,829
that there was a meeting regarding

1186
00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:35,170
forming this majestic 12 organisation in

1187
00:54:42,359 --> 00:54:40,329
the Oval Office where Truman James

1188
00:54:45,179 --> 00:54:42,369
Forrestal and Secretary of Defense and

1189
00:54:47,130 --> 00:54:45,189
Vannevar Bush who would headed up the

1190
00:54:48,989 --> 00:54:47,140
organization that oversaw the Manhattan

1191
00:54:51,179 --> 00:54:48,999
Project was also the founder of the

1192
00:54:53,789 --> 00:54:51,189
Raytheon Corporation that they were

1193
00:54:57,839 --> 00:54:53,799
present and that's where the majestic 12

1194
00:54:59,640 --> 00:54:57,849
was founded and that meeting did take

1195
00:55:01,019 --> 00:54:59,650
place those three individuals were there

1196
00:55:05,009 --> 00:55:01,029
that is a fact

1197
00:55:07,529 --> 00:55:05,019
another interesting note regarding the

1198
00:55:10,799 --> 00:55:07,539
serpo information which some of you

1199
00:55:15,229 --> 00:55:10,809
might be familiar with that that ties

1200
00:55:19,979 --> 00:55:15,239
this alleged meeting between ETS and

1201
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:19,989
folks at military Air Force Base ties it

1202
00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:22,209
to a real specific date which happens to

1203
00:55:30,209 --> 00:55:24,420
be the same date of the Lonnie Zamora

1204
00:55:31,769 --> 00:55:30,219
Sikora sighting April 24th 1964 so they

1205
00:55:35,819 --> 00:55:31,779
have a tendency to do that

1206
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:35,829
and Bob's saying that it's known to them

1207
00:55:41,489 --> 00:55:38,319
that these particular ETS are from the

1208
00:55:42,809 --> 00:55:41,499
Zeta Reticuli of course anybody who

1209
00:55:45,989 --> 00:55:42,819
knows anything about the Betty and

1210
00:55:48,269 --> 00:55:45,999
Barney Hill case knows that the starmap

1211
00:55:51,479 --> 00:55:48,279
that that Betty drew was sort of a

1212
00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:51,489
reverse engineered by someone and they

1213
00:55:56,969 --> 00:55:53,529
came up with that star alignment as a

1214
00:56:01,049 --> 00:55:56,979
matching view of the Earth from the Zeta

1215
00:56:03,929 --> 00:56:01,059
Reticuli system so any any thoughts on

1216
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:03,939
the material that Bob went through in

1217
00:56:08,550 --> 00:56:04,450
that

1218
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:08,560
second half of his presentation you know

1219
00:56:12,930 --> 00:56:11,440
all this information all of it or most

1220
00:56:14,310 --> 00:56:12,940
of it was this information I agree with

1221
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:14,320
you I mean think of it this way

1222
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:16,089
this is s4 this is the most secretive

1223
00:56:20,700 --> 00:56:18,160
project in the world the most secretive

1224
00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:20,710
project in the US military what would

1225
00:56:26,490 --> 00:56:22,630
what would what would be their incentive

1226
00:56:29,010 --> 00:56:26,500
to give physicists precise information

1227
00:56:31,020 --> 00:56:29,020
on some of this history I don't I don't

1228
00:56:32,609 --> 00:56:31,030
see it it would not it would not help

1229
00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:32,619
them achieve their goal of

1230
00:56:38,339 --> 00:56:35,260
back-engineering the craft so they would

1231
00:56:39,870 --> 00:56:38,349
they would use that as an opportunity to

1232
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:39,880
spread this information so that if

1233
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:42,010
someone spills their guts and talks

1234
00:56:46,829 --> 00:56:44,170
about these briefings it'll be easy to

1235
00:56:49,260 --> 00:56:46,839
discredit them I would go so far as that

1236
00:56:50,940 --> 00:56:49,270
I actually believe that the that it's

1237
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:50,950
possible that the different employees

1238
00:56:54,839 --> 00:56:53,050
that read those briefings read slightly

1239
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:54,849
different information so that they could

1240
00:56:59,400 --> 00:56:57,520
track whoever was leaking information by

1241
00:57:01,380 --> 00:56:59,410
because each individual that worked at

1242
00:57:03,870 --> 00:57:01,390
s4 was giving given slightly different

1243
00:57:06,420 --> 00:57:03,880
information in the briefing so that's my

1244
00:57:08,430 --> 00:57:06,430
perspective on it Ryan I'm thinking that

1245
00:57:11,849 --> 00:57:08,440
maybe you work for some sort of military

1246
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:11,859
intelligence organization that was holy

1247
00:57:18,020 --> 00:57:13,810
mackerel there man that is some

1248
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:20,809
[Laughter]

1249
00:57:29,790 --> 00:57:27,010
from Ryan that is correct I mean you are

1250
00:57:32,819 --> 00:57:29,800
right this is the time of Paul bennewitz

1251
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:32,829
and people I don't know if it's in that

1252
00:57:37,170 --> 00:57:35,050
documentary I know that Bob deserves

1253
00:57:40,349 --> 00:57:37,180
talked about this in those briefing

1254
00:57:44,339 --> 00:57:40,359
documents Dulce is mentioned in those

1255
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:44,349
documents and again that goes back to

1256
00:57:48,089 --> 00:57:47,200
rich Dodi and Paul bennewitz and that

1257
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:48,099
whole affair

1258
00:57:54,740 --> 00:57:51,520
so yes I'm in the camp of Ryan that they

1259
00:57:58,140 --> 00:57:54,750
just fed all that was just garbage and

1260
00:58:01,140 --> 00:57:58,150
maybe that was a easy way to track if

1261
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:01,150
anybody spilled yes we could track it

1262
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:05,920
back to them or the other idea is they

1263
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:09,280
knew that this guy was going to have

1264
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:12,640
issues at some point and spill the beans

1265
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:15,970
and this speaks to what Cameron has

1266
00:58:20,220 --> 00:58:18,160
always said that they wanted

1267
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:20,230
to happen now I'm not saying that this

1268
00:58:26,490 --> 00:58:22,480
is the case but I could see that

1269
00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:26,500
possibly being the case I mean what you

1270
00:58:30,420 --> 00:58:27,420
guys think

1271
00:58:33,089 --> 00:58:30,430
well my thinking is there's two

1272
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:33,099
possibilities here that Bob made up that

1273
00:58:37,470 --> 00:58:35,920
aspect of the story which means that he

1274
00:58:40,670 --> 00:58:37,480
would have had the written write all

1275
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:40,680
this out and essentially know some old

1276
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:43,450
Fozzie tricks at that point in time

1277
00:58:47,009 --> 00:58:45,250
where I think I were a little bit more

1278
00:58:48,990 --> 00:58:47,019
aware of them now but I'm not sure how

1279
00:58:50,370 --> 00:58:49,000
aware of them we were back in the

1280
00:58:52,890 --> 00:58:50,380
timeframe where he produced this film

1281
00:58:56,190 --> 00:58:52,900
back in 92 so I think there's two

1282
00:58:58,380 --> 00:58:56,200
possibilities that that Bob is

1283
00:58:59,940 --> 00:58:58,390
accurately recounting that aspect of the

1284
00:59:02,039 --> 00:58:59,950
story that he was brought in that he was

1285
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:02,049
shown these documents and that's what

1286
00:59:06,299 --> 00:59:04,240
was in there what he recounted and I'm

1287
00:59:09,749 --> 00:59:06,309
leaning towards I won't say that I

1288
00:59:12,359 --> 00:59:09,759
believe it but I'm saying it's the

1289
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:12,369
simpler explanation that that did in

1290
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:14,079
fact happen pretty much the way he

1291
00:59:23,009 --> 00:59:21,539
yeah I think they probably had that

1292
00:59:24,690 --> 00:59:23,019
there and and you know maybe I could

1293
00:59:26,819 --> 00:59:24,700
have been an element that they was all

1294
00:59:29,849 --> 00:59:26,829
fabricated just to discredit him as well

1295
00:59:34,049 --> 00:59:29,859
if he ever were to talk I think that's a

1296
00:59:36,569 --> 00:59:34,059
great point what you just said yeah just

1297
00:59:38,249 --> 00:59:36,579
you know because you have the the

1298
00:59:39,930 --> 00:59:38,259
technical end that he was working on

1299
00:59:41,309 --> 00:59:39,940
then said oh well you know he started

1300
00:59:43,049 --> 00:59:41,319
talking and he starts talking about some

1301
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:43,059
alien Bible it's gonna be all nonsense

1302
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:49,359
right and do any of us think that that

1303
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:51,609
we do actually know that these ETS are

1304
00:59:56,339 --> 00:59:54,160
in fact from a Zeta Reticuli and that

1305
00:59:58,349 --> 00:59:56,349
the humans who had been that genetically

1306
01:00:00,509 --> 00:59:58,359
manipulated a number of times over the

1307
01:00:02,519 --> 01:00:00,519
years and all that that do any of us

1308
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:02,529
believe the material that that Bob

1309
01:00:07,009 --> 01:00:05,650
himself didn't exactly vouch for in his

1310
01:00:09,539 --> 01:00:07,019
presentation

1311
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:09,549
nobody could verify that obviously I

1312
01:00:14,490 --> 01:00:13,119
mean and that's the point I think think

1313
01:00:26,009 --> 01:00:14,500
what you're asking is what's your gut

1314
01:00:27,930 --> 01:00:26,019
feeling right because Ryan's you know

1315
01:00:30,660 --> 01:00:27,940
we're kicking some ideas around yeah

1316
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:30,670
yeah I don't know I have no idea but I

1317
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:31,930
actually wanted

1318
01:00:37,799 --> 01:00:35,200
bring up something that chant reference

1319
01:00:41,730 --> 01:00:37,809
before which was the when Bob Lazar

1320
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:41,740
talks about seeing the cadavers yet he

1321
01:00:48,059 --> 01:00:45,760
saw the cadavers in the briefings yeah

1322
01:00:49,890 --> 01:00:48,069
that's how we that's how he explained it

1323
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:49,900
so he saw the cadavers in the briefings

1324
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:51,730
and when he saw that and then he saw how

1325
01:00:55,529 --> 01:00:53,200
small the seats were that's what kind of

1326
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:55,539
meet and put you know think and again

1327
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:57,520
maybe that was planted therefore for

1328
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:00,160
that reason here's this part I don't

1329
01:01:05,250 --> 01:01:03,010
understand so are the briefing that he's

1330
01:01:07,289 --> 01:01:05,260
talking about is it the same briefing

1331
01:01:12,660 --> 01:01:07,299
that he got an overview of dollar

1332
01:01:14,849 --> 01:01:12,670
projects projects going on basically

1333
01:01:20,130 --> 01:01:14,859
they're the last fifteen minutes or so

1334
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:20,140
of his documentary to me and Ryan could

1335
01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:22,480
speak to this point too as for was not

1336
01:01:28,589 --> 01:01:26,230
conducive to scientific thinking right

1337
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:28,599
because they are oppressive they didn't

1338
01:01:32,250 --> 01:01:30,130
want you talking to anybody you could

1339
01:01:34,109 --> 01:01:32,260
only talk to one other guy you couldn't

1340
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:34,119
work the problem with other scientists

1341
01:01:37,829 --> 01:01:35,890
there they certainly weren't getting the

1342
01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:37,839
best and brightest and they really

1343
01:01:43,650 --> 01:01:40,750
haven't gotten anywhere the prior guide

1344
01:01:48,690 --> 01:01:43,660
the Bob Lazar blew himself up by cutting

1345
01:01:53,339 --> 01:01:48,700
into the core of my antimatter reactor

1346
01:02:00,420 --> 01:01:53,349
so the point I'm trying to make is uh I

1347
01:02:02,579 --> 01:02:00,430
don't remember well one thing I don't

1348
01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:02,589
think people contemplate enough is why

1349
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:05,049
is there so much secrecy people the

1350
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:06,490
first thing people think of well we

1351
01:02:09,059 --> 01:02:07,359
don't want the Chinese and the Russians

1352
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:09,069
to get this technology that's a part of

1353
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:10,240
it but a big part of it that's not

1354
01:02:15,059 --> 01:02:12,160
talked about enough in my opinion is the

1355
01:02:17,609 --> 01:02:15,069
people that are running s4 they know

1356
01:02:20,370 --> 01:02:17,619
that if this was ever to come to light

1357
01:02:22,769 --> 01:02:20,380
if it was ever to come to light that

1358
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:22,779
there's a there's a tiny speck within

1359
01:02:27,839 --> 01:02:25,359
the US government that has articles from

1360
01:02:29,490 --> 01:02:27,849
another star system they would get a

1361
01:02:31,049 --> 01:02:29,500
backlash the likes of which you can't

1362
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:31,059
even possibly imagine the entire

1363
01:02:35,130 --> 01:02:33,010
scientific community would go after them

1364
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:35,140
the media would go after them the

1365
01:02:38,460 --> 01:02:36,730
spiritual and religious community would

1366
01:02:40,650 --> 01:02:38,470
go after them every single human being

1367
01:02:43,079 --> 01:02:40,660
on this planet would hate their guts

1368
01:02:45,059 --> 01:02:43,089
with a passion and that is part of what

1369
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:45,069
motivates these people at s4 to be so

1370
01:02:46,770 --> 01:02:45,850
secretive

1371
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:46,780
they don't want to have to deal with

1372
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:48,160
that they don't have to deal with the

1373
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:51,610
legal repercussions of being of it being

1374
01:02:56,850 --> 01:02:54,850
found out that we have technology that

1375
01:02:59,520 --> 01:02:56,860
would completely rewrite the the books

1376
01:03:01,290 --> 01:02:59,530
on physics and completely rewrite human

1377
01:03:03,420 --> 01:03:01,300
history completely changed the

1378
01:03:05,730 --> 01:03:03,430
scientific paradigm yes a big part of it

1379
01:03:07,530 --> 01:03:05,740
is that Russia and China do not get this

1380
01:03:09,630 --> 01:03:07,540
technology but another big part of it is

1381
01:03:11,580 --> 01:03:09,640
because they would be the most despised

1382
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:11,590
human beings on the face of this earth

1383
01:03:16,890 --> 01:03:14,170
if it was ever to come to light Brian to

1384
01:03:19,350 --> 01:03:16,900
your point and chant had made this point

1385
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:19,360
the implications of you know we had this

1386
01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:21,250
technology it speaks to what Richard

1387
01:03:26,790 --> 01:03:24,160
Dolan says is a true breakaway

1388
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:26,800
civilization these are guys that work at

1389
01:03:31,950 --> 01:03:30,010
a facility that when they go home they

1390
01:03:34,770 --> 01:03:31,960
know different science than you and I

1391
01:03:37,110 --> 01:03:34,780
they know other things that you and I

1392
01:03:39,810 --> 01:03:37,120
don't know so in essence it is a

1393
01:03:43,350 --> 01:03:39,820
breakaway civilization it's a a whole

1394
01:03:46,770 --> 01:03:43,360
plant onto itself s4 is a whole nother

1395
01:03:49,890 --> 01:03:46,780
planet I agree I know different things

1396
01:03:52,170 --> 01:03:49,900
that you and I don't I want to know how

1397
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:52,180
much taxpayer money has gone there I

1398
01:03:57,810 --> 01:03:54,930
could guarantee it's probably trillions

1399
01:04:00,090 --> 01:03:57,820
it's a pretty scary thing and I think

1400
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:00,100
Brian has a point they are scared

1401
01:04:06,990 --> 01:04:03,760
crapless of the repercussions that would

1402
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:07,000
come back the blowback on them if this

1403
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:09,760
ever truly got out they're not even

1404
01:04:12,930 --> 01:04:11,170
working within the purview of the US

1405
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:12,940
government in some cell they're not part

1406
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:14,290
of the US government they're like this

1407
01:04:18,780 --> 01:04:17,050
little island that has succeeded from

1408
01:04:21,060 --> 01:04:18,790
the United States and it's just it's

1409
01:04:24,030 --> 01:04:21,070
it's very dysfunctional across the board

1410
01:04:25,830 --> 01:04:24,040
and I hope that in that sometime very

1411
01:04:28,740 --> 01:04:25,840
soon this will all come to light because

1412
01:04:30,930 --> 01:04:28,750
I just it's such as well as RSA himself

1413
01:04:32,820 --> 01:04:30,940
said it's a tremendous injustice toward

1414
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:32,830
the scientific community and into the

1415
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:34,960
world at large I mean you just can't you

1416
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:36,850
just can't not tell everyone about

1417
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:39,370
something this big that that changes

1418
01:04:44,430 --> 01:04:41,110
everything we know about our existence

1419
01:04:47,010 --> 01:04:44,440
in this universe just that really one

1420
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:47,020
quick point that is maybe a little bit

1421
01:04:52,620 --> 01:04:49,650
off track but not entirely about area 51

1422
01:04:57,030 --> 01:04:52,630
what a lot of people don't realize is it

1423
01:04:58,050 --> 01:04:57,040
was founded in 1955 to test the spy

1424
01:05:01,020 --> 01:04:58,060
planes the

1425
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:01,030
you too I was tested there the sr-71 was

1426
01:05:06,510 --> 01:05:03,520
tested there it was founded by a fellow

1427
01:05:07,650 --> 01:05:06,520
named Kelly Johnson who headed up the

1428
01:05:11,250 --> 01:05:07,660
Lockheed skunkworks

1429
01:05:13,740 --> 01:05:11,260
the CIA went to him said look we want

1430
01:05:17,180 --> 01:05:13,750
the President Eisenhower once the spy

1431
01:05:20,310 --> 01:05:17,190
plane and we want to find out as a great

1432
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:20,320
secret out-of-the-way place where we can

1433
01:05:27,210 --> 01:05:25,050
test it and Kelly Johnson was actually

1434
01:05:29,820 --> 01:05:27,220
at that point the head of the skunk

1435
01:05:33,060 --> 01:05:29,830
works but earlier while he was just

1436
01:05:35,490 --> 01:05:33,070
working there he had a couple of UFO

1437
01:05:38,670 --> 01:05:35,500
sightings himself so the connections

1438
01:05:40,620 --> 01:05:38,680
between UFOs and area 51 really go back

1439
01:05:43,020 --> 01:05:40,630
before grant was even broken on the

1440
01:05:45,050 --> 01:05:43,030
construction of the base Johnson had two

1441
01:05:48,990 --> 01:05:45,060
UFO sightings they're well documented

1442
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:49,000
but one of them had himself on the

1443
01:05:53,730 --> 01:05:51,610
ground and then a military plane in the

1444
01:05:56,730 --> 01:05:53,740
air with four witnesses that both

1445
01:05:59,820 --> 01:05:56,740
witnessed the same UFO out died near

1446
01:06:02,130 --> 01:05:59,830
Point Mugu near Catalina Island which is

1447
01:06:04,110 --> 01:06:02,140
not too far from where the tic-tac case

1448
01:06:06,260 --> 01:06:04,120
took place so there are connections

1449
01:06:09,540 --> 01:06:06,270
going way back and then of course

1450
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:09,550
Johnson's protege was a been rich and

1451
01:06:15,150 --> 01:06:12,610
his connections to UFOs are a little bit

1452
01:06:17,790 --> 01:06:15,160
better known his correspondence with

1453
01:06:21,180 --> 01:06:17,800
John Andrews where he said he does

1454
01:06:23,970 --> 01:06:21,190
believe in UFOs and also a little bit

1455
01:06:26,910 --> 01:06:23,980
later on the conversation that he had

1456
01:06:30,030 --> 01:06:26,920
with Jane Harsin who heads up MUFON

1457
01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:30,040
these days has been you know has been

1458
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:31,510
out and about it so it's made the

1459
01:06:35,940 --> 01:06:33,130
circuit so I just wanted to jump in

1460
01:06:38,550 --> 01:06:35,950
there the connections may not have been

1461
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:38,560
well the entire base itself was not

1462
01:06:44,190 --> 01:06:41,650
known until those are came about but the

1463
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:44,200
connections that the UFOs go way back to

1464
01:06:48,300 --> 01:06:46,480
the the very beginning of that

1465
01:06:52,410 --> 01:06:48,310
particular base so I just wanted to get

1466
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:52,420
that in there and okay let's get back to

1467
01:06:58,590 --> 01:06:56,170
Bob's documentary again any thoughts I

1468
01:07:00,960 --> 01:06:58,600
think we seem to be pretty much all on

1469
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:00,970
the same page here that we do tend to

1470
01:07:05,370 --> 01:07:03,610
believe Lazar is part of the story that

1471
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:05,380
he was shown these various and sundry

1472
01:07:09,690 --> 01:07:07,210
documents but that we don't necessarily

1473
01:07:10,579 --> 01:07:09,700
you believe that they are at all

1474
01:07:16,370 --> 01:07:10,589
accurate is that

1475
01:07:17,779 --> 01:07:16,380
about right pretty much on that yeah I

1476
01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:17,789
agree

1477
01:07:23,660 --> 01:07:21,900
okay okay all right and now let's say

1478
01:07:26,479 --> 01:07:23,670
let's get down to where the rubber sort

1479
01:07:28,910 --> 01:07:26,489
of meets the roads and this was covered

1480
01:07:31,370 --> 01:07:28,920
in the the movie a little bit Bob

1481
01:07:34,900 --> 01:07:31,380
covered it in that great detail in his

1482
01:07:38,779 --> 01:07:34,910
own documentary the infamous element 115

1483
01:07:40,339 --> 01:07:38,789
now I wanna I want to go over this a

1484
01:07:42,829 --> 01:07:40,349
little bit at that very important to

1485
01:07:46,249 --> 01:07:42,839
note I think that all of the elements

1486
01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:46,259
from 95 up through actually we're all

1487
01:07:50,749 --> 01:07:48,529
the way up to 118 at this point our

1488
01:07:53,209 --> 01:07:50,759
synthesized elements they're not natural

1489
01:07:57,170 --> 01:07:53,219
elements they are synthesized created

1490
01:08:00,289 --> 01:07:57,180
invented in laboratories so for Bob to

1491
01:08:03,620 --> 01:08:00,299
say back in 92 that there's gonna be an

1492
01:08:06,410 --> 01:08:03,630
element 115 I was really not going out

1493
01:08:08,089 --> 01:08:06,420
on a limb all that much seemed to me in

1494
01:08:11,269 --> 01:08:08,099
the movie though they were definitely

1495
01:08:14,719 --> 01:08:11,279
alluding to the point that the feeling

1496
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:14,729
there is that the element 115 which is

1497
01:08:18,559 --> 01:08:16,170
known as Muscovy and when i was

1498
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:18,569
mentioned in the movie and that they

1499
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:20,250
seem to be holding the position that

1500
01:08:26,839 --> 01:08:23,130
Korbel and Lazar that element what that

1501
01:08:28,700 --> 01:08:26,849
the element 115 that Bob in fact worked

1502
01:08:32,269 --> 01:08:28,710
with or claims to have worked with at

1503
01:08:34,820 --> 01:08:32,279
area 51 is one in the same as moscovia

1504
01:08:41,550 --> 01:08:34,830
did anybody else pick up on that did I

1505
01:08:47,539 --> 01:08:44,829
[Laughter]

1506
01:08:49,879 --> 01:08:47,549
that's not the point did I that blew me

1507
01:08:50,269 --> 01:08:49,889
away with 114 defected when Jeremy

1508
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:50,279
called

1509
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:52,560
other scientists and the fact that the

1510
01:08:59,479 --> 01:08:55,679
other scientists called Bob Lazar to get

1511
01:08:59,959 --> 01:08:59,489
answers when dealing with 115 was huge

1512
01:09:03,530 --> 01:08:59,969
for me

1513
01:09:05,780 --> 01:09:03,540
it's yeah another nugget of data that

1514
01:09:07,129 --> 01:09:05,790
supports his claim I guess for me but

1515
01:09:10,849 --> 01:09:07,139
well they bought it they obviously

1516
01:09:12,559 --> 01:09:10,859
bought into a story exactly yeah yeah

1517
01:09:14,450 --> 01:09:12,569
I'm a little bit skeptical

1518
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:14,460
I can understand let's say let's assume

1519
01:09:20,059 --> 01:09:17,279
that everything that Bob says about that

1520
01:09:23,539 --> 01:09:20,069
aspect of his story is correct I can

1521
01:09:24,890 --> 01:09:23,549
understand how you know internally

1522
01:09:27,019 --> 01:09:24,900
it's an element that they weren't

1523
01:09:30,170 --> 01:09:27,029
familiar with at that point in time they

1524
01:09:32,780 --> 01:09:30,180
were up to element 114 so calling it 115

1525
01:09:35,890 --> 01:09:32,790
is not that big a deal to me and that

1526
01:09:38,329 --> 01:09:35,900
just so happens that the very next

1527
01:09:41,900 --> 01:09:38,339
element that happens to get synthesized

1528
01:09:44,990 --> 01:09:41,910
in a lab just happens to be the same

1529
01:09:47,480 --> 01:09:45,000
element that it seems to be they seem to

1530
01:09:49,070 --> 01:09:47,490
be claiming is one in the same that's

1531
01:09:50,420 --> 01:09:49,080
yeah I mean it was it was inevitable

1532
01:09:51,890 --> 01:09:50,430
that it would be synthesized in the

1533
01:09:52,210 --> 01:09:51,900
future so I agree with what you're

1534
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:52,220
saying

1535
01:09:57,020 --> 01:09:54,810
well it's inevitable that another

1536
01:09:59,390 --> 01:09:57,030
element was going to be synthesized and

1537
01:10:00,680 --> 01:09:59,400
that just the same there are three

1538
01:10:13,580 --> 01:10:00,690
additional elements that have been

1539
01:10:18,020 --> 01:10:13,590
synthesized since so you can't have

1540
01:10:20,540 --> 01:10:18,030
element 1 6 1 1 16 without element 115

1541
01:10:21,410 --> 01:10:20,550
and just to quote Bob in that

1542
01:10:24,140 --> 01:10:21,420
documentary

1543
01:10:26,780 --> 01:10:24,150
he said the extraterrestrial craft power

1544
01:10:29,420 --> 01:10:26,790
source inside the reactor of the saucer

1545
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:29,430
element 115 bombarded with a proton

1546
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:32,610
which plugs into the nucleus of the 115

1547
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:38,490
atom and becomes element 116 yes and

1548
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:40,890
okay and then it immediately decays and

1549
01:10:46,340 --> 01:10:43,530
releases or radiates small amounts of

1550
01:10:49,010 --> 01:10:46,350
antimatter the antimatter is released in

1551
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:49,020
a vacuum into a secure tube to keep it

1552
01:10:53,930 --> 01:10:50,970
from reacting to the matter around it it

1553
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:53,940
is then directed to the gaseous matter

1554
01:10:59,720 --> 01:10:57,210
target at the end of the tube the matter

1555
01:11:02,180 --> 01:10:59,730
and adds matter collide and annihilate

1556
01:11:04,340 --> 01:11:02,190
converting to energy the heat from this

1557
01:11:07,700 --> 01:11:04,350
reaction is converted into electrical

1558
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:07,710
energy at a near 100% efficient thermal

1559
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:11,280
electric generator this is the device

1560
01:11:15,950 --> 01:11:12,960
that converts heat directly into

1561
01:11:18,050 --> 01:11:15,960
electrical energy to run the ship many

1562
01:11:19,850 --> 01:11:18,060
of our satellites and space probes use

1563
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:19,860
thermal electric generators to run

1564
01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:21,810
themselves but their efficiency is very

1565
01:11:27,010 --> 01:11:24,060
low anyway the point is is that element

1566
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:27,020
115 once it decays turns into element

1567
01:11:34,490 --> 01:11:30,210
116 according to fall right right

1568
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:34,500
now now we know that moscovia ms 115

1569
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:36,090
livermorium is

1570
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:38,850
69 I I he said that in his documentary

1571
01:11:43,940 --> 01:11:40,770
obviously before these elements were

1572
01:11:45,530 --> 01:11:43,950
synthesized in a lab but none of that

1573
01:11:47,330 --> 01:11:45,540
was mentioned I mean it wouldn't be

1574
01:11:49,340 --> 01:11:47,340
difficult for me to claim right now that

1575
01:11:52,430 --> 01:11:49,350
I had some sort of extraterrestrial

1576
01:11:54,650 --> 01:11:52,440
contact and they they tell me that no

1577
01:11:57,500 --> 01:11:54,660
are they're wrong it's element 119 and

1578
01:12:00,800 --> 01:11:57,510
it's important I'm an element 119 is

1579
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:00,810
going to be synthesized in some lab

1580
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:02,640
somewhere in the world and then I come

1581
01:12:07,490 --> 01:12:05,040
out and say see I'm vindicated there is

1582
01:12:10,490 --> 01:12:07,500
a one element 119 oh I'm right about all

1583
01:12:12,890 --> 01:12:10,500
that so I'm a little bit a little bit

1584
01:12:18,050 --> 01:12:12,900
skeptical of those claims and of course

1585
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:18,060
that element 117 is tennis scene and 118

1586
01:12:27,470 --> 01:12:23,610
is or organ essen so so there's that but

1587
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:27,480
that yeah elements from 95 on up they

1588
01:12:32,810 --> 01:12:31,530
are synthesized in labs and some point

1589
01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:32,820
in time in the future there's going to

1590
01:12:40,010 --> 01:12:36,450
be a 119 or 120 and so on up the road I

1591
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:40,020
think that's inevitable and I hanging

1592
01:12:45,620 --> 01:12:44,010
hanging their hats on this one 15 I'm a

1593
01:12:46,450 --> 01:12:45,630
little bit skeptical of that part of the

1594
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:46,460
story

1595
01:12:53,420 --> 01:12:50,370
yeah even even Jeremy said that that Bob

1596
01:12:55,340 --> 01:12:53,430
said to him afterwards when Jeremy

1597
01:12:57,310 --> 01:12:55,350
called him said hey 115 was synthesized

1598
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:57,320
that Bob said law I had a 50/50 chance

1599
01:13:03,170 --> 01:12:59,760
so I mean he wasn't really hanging his

1600
01:13:05,180 --> 01:13:03,180
hat on that in that sense he was just

1601
01:13:07,550 --> 01:13:05,190
trying to explain what he thought he had

1602
01:13:07,970 --> 01:13:07,560
learned there oh you know buddy 50

1603
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:07,980
chance

1604
01:13:17,180 --> 01:13:10,170
isn't that referencing the particle wave

1605
01:13:19,940 --> 01:13:17,190
versus yeah but either way Bob Lazar has

1606
01:13:21,470 --> 01:13:19,950
never pushed that as a as a piece of

1607
01:13:27,020 --> 01:13:21,480
evidence that he's telling the truth and

1608
01:13:29,060 --> 01:13:27,030
I agree with Frank that it's it's not a

1609
01:13:30,830 --> 01:13:29,070
big it's not it was inevitably going to

1610
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:30,840
be synthesized so you really doesn't

1611
01:13:43,550 --> 01:13:39,320
but I do think that that is a big point

1612
01:13:45,860 --> 01:13:43,560
to die as that back in 89 he was

1613
01:13:48,170 --> 01:13:45,870
emphasizing he was saying that gravity

1614
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:48,180
is a wave and not a particle and if you

1615
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:49,530
were to make up if you were to make up a

1616
01:13:55,010 --> 01:13:50,010
story

1617
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:55,020
being true years into the future I don't

1618
01:13:59,570 --> 01:13:56,250
know about you but I'd be very

1619
01:14:01,760 --> 01:13:59,580
apprehensive pushing forward a theory

1620
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:01,770
that at the very minimum had a 50%

1621
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:03,810
chance being wrong long if you were a

1622
01:14:07,460 --> 01:14:06,090
charlatan and you were a con man that's

1623
01:14:09,950 --> 01:14:07,470
it that's an angle you probably would

1624
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:09,960
try to avoid at all cost but those ARS

1625
01:14:15,290 --> 01:14:13,290
like nope it's a gravity is a wave it is

1626
01:14:17,690 --> 01:14:15,300
not a particle it's very adamant about

1627
01:14:19,790 --> 01:14:17,700
that and it was like five years ago that

1628
01:14:22,250 --> 01:14:19,800
they did experiments that vindicated him

1629
01:14:24,350 --> 01:14:22,260
and proved that yes indeed according to

1630
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:24,360
modern-day science gravity is a wave and

1631
01:14:31,670 --> 01:14:27,600
it is not a particle right and so Bob

1632
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:31,680
also pointed out that gravity there's

1633
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:33,360
two different kinds of gravity and

1634
01:14:40,580 --> 01:14:36,330
that's there's gravity a which is a

1635
01:14:42,740 --> 01:14:40,590
small scale of gravity used for

1636
01:14:44,750 --> 01:14:42,750
interstellar travel according to him and

1637
01:14:46,910 --> 01:14:44,760
it's the strongest of the two kinds of

1638
01:14:49,550 --> 01:14:46,920
gravitational fields and he believes

1639
01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:49,560
it's gravity a is what aliens used to

1640
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:51,780
help commandeer their crafts and that

1641
01:15:00,770 --> 01:14:53,970
gravity B is a big gravity field that

1642
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:00,780
holds planets together for example again

1643
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:04,770
in science you know and I think is worth

1644
01:15:08,990 --> 01:15:07,770
saying you know Lewis Elizondo has said

1645
01:15:10,490 --> 01:15:09,000
that we're getting very close to

1646
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:10,500
understanding how this technology works

1647
01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:13,050
he said that I think it's fair to assume

1648
01:15:16,670 --> 01:15:14,910
that some of the deep dark

1649
01:15:18,590 --> 01:15:16,680
unacknowledged projects probably no more

1650
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:18,600
than Elizondo knows but according to

1651
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:20,970
what Elizondo was privy to he says we're

1652
01:15:24,830 --> 01:15:22,080
getting close to understand this

1653
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:24,840
technology he says well I just I had

1654
01:15:28,430 --> 01:15:26,730
nothing there up too much but been

1655
01:15:30,860 --> 01:15:28,440
riches I've been quoted as saying that

1656
01:15:33,860 --> 01:15:30,870
they already understand that's true that

1657
01:15:35,150 --> 01:15:33,870
yes just I wanted to bring that out but

1658
01:15:37,250 --> 01:15:35,160
yeah I go ahead I'm sorry about that

1659
01:15:38,810 --> 01:15:37,260
Robert no that's a very good point too

1660
01:15:43,490 --> 01:15:38,820
to interject but what I was going to say

1661
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:43,500
is what's interesting is is uh you know

1662
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:45,450
at least a decade from now two decades

1663
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:48,330
from now three decades from now if it

1664
01:15:52,460 --> 01:15:50,610
becomes in the public domain how this

1665
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:52,470
technology actually works and it starts

1666
01:15:58,400 --> 01:15:55,770
to line up with what Bob Lazar said then

1667
01:15:59,810 --> 01:15:58,410
the people at s4 that part of the US

1668
01:16:03,620 --> 01:15:59,820
government they got a problem on their

1669
01:16:05,900 --> 01:16:03,630
hands because if if if the technology

1670
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:05,910
if what is conveyed about the technology

1671
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:07,920
starts to line up with what Bob Lazar

1672
01:16:12,290 --> 01:16:10,530
said back in the 80s and what he still

1673
01:16:14,780 --> 01:16:12,300
says today there's your verification

1674
01:16:16,820 --> 01:16:14,790
there's your smoking gun I don't think

1675
01:16:18,440 --> 01:16:16,830
that to me would be a smoking gun if

1676
01:16:19,970 --> 01:16:18,450
they say well this is how it works and

1677
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:19,980
it starts to mimic what Bob Lazar said

1678
01:16:23,810 --> 01:16:21,840
then you know that the whole entire

1679
01:16:24,890 --> 01:16:23,820
story was true and that's inevitable I

1680
01:16:27,170 --> 01:16:24,900
don't know if that will happen in our

1681
01:16:29,540 --> 01:16:27,180
lifetime but eventually we will figure

1682
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:29,550
this technology out if we out have it

1683
01:16:33,170 --> 01:16:31,770
already which I don't think we have and

1684
01:16:35,330 --> 01:16:33,180
there you go

1685
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:35,340
Bob Lazar will be will literally be in

1686
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:37,770
the history books if indeed when we

1687
01:16:42,140 --> 01:16:40,050
figure this technology out it is in

1688
01:16:43,430 --> 01:16:42,150
alignment with what Bob Lazar said in

1689
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:43,440
regards to how it works

1690
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:45,930
well it's interesting how bob says we

1691
01:16:51,710 --> 01:16:48,570
have the technology whatever the

1692
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:51,720
technology is within our grasp we have

1693
01:16:58,490 --> 01:16:55,530
it in our possession as he said but we

1694
01:17:01,310 --> 01:16:58,500
actually don't know what it is so that

1695
01:17:04,340 --> 01:17:01,320
was his job was to back and back it was

1696
01:17:05,660 --> 01:17:04,350
basically to reverse-engineer it but

1697
01:17:07,550 --> 01:17:05,670
they still don't know what it is they

1698
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:07,560
can't figure it out well one thing that

1699
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:11,010
I find a little bit troublesome is that

1700
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:14,490
he never explains how this gravity is

1701
01:17:19,250 --> 01:17:17,130
able to help these ships generate the

1702
01:17:21,650 --> 01:17:19,260
the speed necessary to travel

1703
01:17:23,930 --> 01:17:21,660
interstellar distances in a reasonable

1704
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:23,940
amount of time that that's one thing

1705
01:17:28,730 --> 01:17:25,650
that he doesn't really go into in any

1706
01:17:30,170 --> 01:17:28,740
great detail and that seems to me to be

1707
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:30,180
the real problem with interstellar

1708
01:17:35,810 --> 01:17:32,850
travel I'm sorry go ahead

1709
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:35,820
she did give one detail he said that

1710
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:38,490
element 115 is used to run the ship and

1711
01:17:44,900 --> 01:17:40,650
that it depletes very slowly so it could

1712
01:17:48,860 --> 01:17:44,910
be used for 20 to 30 years from very my

1713
01:17:50,690 --> 01:17:48,870
Newton amounts of this well I think Bob

1714
01:17:53,530 --> 01:17:50,700
Lazar said that he that the the craft

1715
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:53,540
technology bends space and time yes so

1716
01:17:58,520 --> 01:17:56,130
the craft itself does not have to go

1717
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:58,530
anywhere near or at least it doesn't

1718
01:18:01,430 --> 01:18:00,000
have to exceed the speed of light it

1719
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:01,440
doesn't have to break that law that you

1720
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:03,330
cannot exceed to see the light my

1721
01:18:10,010 --> 01:18:05,520
understanding is that space and time is

1722
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:10,020
being it is being folded and so I mean

1723
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:12,330
it's this is like over your head physics

1724
01:18:16,899 --> 01:18:15,120
but but the basic understanding and

1725
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:16,909
that's all other have

1726
01:18:21,489 --> 01:18:19,130
is that it's traversing great distances

1727
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:21,499
without actually going beyond the speed

1728
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:23,360
of light because space and time is is

1729
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:25,280
folding on itself and it's like it's

1730
01:18:29,159 --> 01:18:26,570
kind of like a shortcut and that's

1731
01:18:31,929 --> 01:18:29,169
basically all I understand about it I

1732
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:31,939
was gonna say the ship is pulling itself

1733
01:18:36,699 --> 01:18:33,679
towards the point that you want to go

1734
01:18:38,770 --> 01:18:36,709
towards so it's folding that and you

1735
01:18:39,879 --> 01:18:38,780
don't have to go fast for that because

1736
01:18:41,770 --> 01:18:39,889
you really don't

1737
01:18:44,109 --> 01:18:41,780
so what bob was saying is that if we

1738
01:18:46,659 --> 01:18:44,119
produce an intense gravitational field

1739
01:18:48,489 --> 01:18:46,669
we can distort time to go from point A

1740
01:18:50,649 --> 01:18:48,499
to point B no matter how fast the

1741
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:50,659
distances are without traveling in a

1742
01:18:57,029 --> 01:18:53,090
linear mode near the speed of light like

1743
01:19:07,839 --> 01:18:57,039
Ryan was saying we don't have to brake

1744
01:19:12,759 --> 01:19:07,849
you know the speed of light science I

1745
01:19:15,279 --> 01:19:12,769
mean again the fact that that's like I

1746
01:19:17,229 --> 01:19:15,289
don't know that physicists want to

1747
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:17,239
acknowledge it but if they were given

1748
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:19,489
maybe if we set them down with Bob Lazar

1749
01:19:24,609 --> 01:19:22,400
and he could explain maybe they could

1750
01:19:28,379 --> 01:19:24,619
grasp it maybe they couldn't I don't

1751
01:19:31,569 --> 01:19:28,389
know it would just be an interesting

1752
01:19:34,330 --> 01:19:31,579
experience to see what they would say

1753
01:19:36,790 --> 01:19:34,340
maybe they just laugh at him and say no

1754
01:19:40,060 --> 01:19:36,800
that that couldn't happen but maybe he

1755
01:19:42,399 --> 01:19:40,070
is you know completely a really good

1756
01:19:44,679 --> 01:19:42,409
person to explain this to other

1757
01:19:47,949 --> 01:19:44,689
scientists I don't know one of the one

1758
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:47,959
of the criticisms of lazarre's initial

1759
01:19:52,209 --> 01:19:49,610
theory although they didn't seem that

1760
01:19:54,659 --> 01:19:52,219
take some steps toward clearing that up

1761
01:19:56,830 --> 01:19:54,669
in there the core Bell felt was that

1762
01:19:59,379 --> 01:19:56,840
gravity doesn't sort of pick and choose

1763
01:20:01,750 --> 01:19:59,389
what it's going to attract when gravity

1764
01:20:03,699 --> 01:20:01,760
attracts something going back to the the

1765
01:20:05,979 --> 01:20:03,709
Galileo experiment without dropping the

1766
01:20:08,319 --> 01:20:05,989
hammer and the feather they both fall at

1767
01:20:10,529 --> 01:20:08,329
the same rate that experiment was

1768
01:20:13,149 --> 01:20:10,539
repeated during one of the moon walks by

1769
01:20:14,770 --> 01:20:13,159
astronaut David Scott on the moon he had

1770
01:20:16,959 --> 01:20:14,780
a feather he had a hammer you dropped it

1771
01:20:19,299 --> 01:20:16,969
now they both hit the lunar surface at

1772
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:19,309
the same time it doesn't pick and choose

1773
01:20:22,449 --> 01:20:20,449
it doesn't discriminate

1774
01:20:24,429 --> 01:20:22,459
so if you're going to create this

1775
01:20:26,819 --> 01:20:24,439
intense gravitational field around the

1776
01:20:29,380 --> 01:20:26,829
ship it's going to draw everything

1777
01:20:32,620 --> 01:20:29,390
towards the ship rather than

1778
01:20:34,330 --> 01:20:32,630
one particular point in the dock and

1779
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:34,340
Bob's documentary is original

1780
01:20:39,580 --> 01:20:36,410
documentary he doesn't really go into

1781
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:39,590
that too much but in the Korbel film he

1782
01:20:44,380 --> 01:20:42,650
does make an attempt at explaining that

1783
01:20:47,530 --> 01:20:44,390
while it's directed at a particular

1784
01:20:50,020 --> 01:20:47,540
point that's not necessarily a far

1785
01:20:52,210 --> 01:20:50,030
reaching fully satisfactory explanation

1786
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:52,220
but he did it at least address it a

1787
01:20:59,020 --> 01:20:57,050
little bit I guess I mean I'll go ahead

1788
01:21:01,660 --> 01:20:59,030
James I was gonna say that's something

1789
01:21:04,450 --> 01:21:01,670
so advanced that you know you know Bob

1790
01:21:06,370 --> 01:21:04,460
even said that and he did his best to

1791
01:21:08,350 --> 01:21:06,380
try to explain what he he thought he

1792
01:21:10,450 --> 01:21:08,360
understood you know that we're talking

1793
01:21:15,660 --> 01:21:10,460
about they couldn't they couldn't

1794
01:21:21,820 --> 01:21:19,300
my point was he has forgotten a lot of

1795
01:21:25,390 --> 01:21:21,830
the information that's why he had the

1796
01:21:27,660 --> 01:21:25,400
hypnotist hypnotize them even like walk

1797
01:21:32,260 --> 01:21:27,670
a couple of months after working there

1798
01:21:34,330 --> 01:21:32,270
they whoever the military were there

1799
01:21:38,770 --> 01:21:34,340
whether they're private contractors or

1800
01:21:42,990 --> 01:21:38,780
u.s. DoD guys I don't know but whoever

1801
01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:43,000
they were were very keen on making it so

1802
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:45,710
you are basically mind control to me

1803
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:48,890
there's a point where they don't say in

1804
01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:50,210
the documentary and he doesn't talk

1805
01:21:55,300 --> 01:21:52,400
about in his documentary but he was

1806
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:55,310
forced to dream something weird that

1807
01:22:00,000 --> 01:21:57,290
they didn't tell him what it was he was

1808
01:22:04,090 --> 01:22:00,010
fearful that they were gonna kill him

1809
01:22:06,460 --> 01:22:04,100
because of what he knew right I mean he

1810
01:22:09,690 --> 01:22:06,470
had this tiger shot out he's carrying it

1811
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:09,700
easy around he had this car broken into

1812
01:22:19,300 --> 01:22:17,840
so that plays a lot of brain trauma to

1813
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:19,310
the fact that you can't remember

1814
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:21,650
everything and I don't fault Bob for

1815
01:22:26,770 --> 01:22:23,570
that I guess is what I'm trying to say I

1816
01:22:29,860 --> 01:22:26,780
mean if he can remember this part versus

1817
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:29,870
that part it is what it is I can't force

1818
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:32,570
him to remember everything I guess what

1819
01:22:36,910 --> 01:22:35,090
I'm trying to say yeah and you bring up

1820
01:22:38,890 --> 01:22:36,920
an interesting point I do want to touch

1821
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:38,900
on and ask again around the horn about

1822
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:42,239
as far as the blowback the

1823
01:22:47,780 --> 01:22:45,570
Bob claims to have suffered does anyone

1824
01:22:50,629 --> 01:22:47,790
doubt that I mean I don't at the very

1825
01:22:53,649 --> 01:22:50,639
least he outed area 51 a highly

1826
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:53,659
classified top secret base wasn't even

1827
01:22:59,180 --> 01:22:56,159
acknowledged as existing until more than

1828
01:23:00,680 --> 01:22:59,190
a generation after Bob came forward at

1829
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:00,690
the very least that's going to make a

1830
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:03,090
lot of people angry regardless of what

1831
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:06,480
the the the accuracy of what is sharing

1832
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:12,719
about the the UFO check no one here does

1833
01:23:17,629 --> 01:23:15,120
anyone hear about that that part of his

1834
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:17,639
story is at least accurate I will say

1835
01:23:24,500 --> 01:23:20,130
this from the documentary you a UFO

1836
01:23:28,850 --> 01:23:24,510
cover-up live from 1988 so six months

1837
01:23:31,879 --> 01:23:28,860
before Bob mentions area 51 it's in that

1838
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:31,889
documentary and I posted on Instagram I

1839
01:23:40,129 --> 01:23:35,489
think I posted it on Facebook too that

1840
01:23:44,060 --> 01:23:40,139
that was mentioned in the I guess flow

1841
01:23:45,620 --> 01:23:44,070
chart yeah yep yeah so that's huge and

1842
01:23:49,010 --> 01:23:45,630
again that could be total disinformation

1843
01:23:51,470 --> 01:23:49,020
but the fact that it was after 1988 a

1844
01:23:54,740 --> 01:23:51,480
full six months before bob was working

1845
01:23:56,209 --> 01:23:54,750
in as for is interesting I don't know

1846
01:24:00,919 --> 01:23:56,219
how much people really care about that

1847
01:24:02,209 --> 01:24:00,929
but it is it's actually could be used by

1848
01:24:05,209 --> 01:24:02,219
it's a point that could be used by a

1849
01:24:08,500 --> 01:24:05,219
skeptic and so you could easily say well

1850
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:08,510
Bob watched that and not put 2 in duty

1851
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:11,520
yeah that's true

1852
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:15,650
but from everything that we know of Bob

1853
01:24:21,229 --> 01:24:18,480
didn't he wasn't in the subject at all

1854
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:21,239
he wasn't into this I mean he even says

1855
01:24:26,780 --> 01:24:23,250
both in the documentary the current one

1856
01:24:30,110 --> 01:24:26,790
and that old one he thought what he was

1857
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:30,120
seeing was what we made and explained

1858
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:32,850
all the UFO sightings oh we made them

1859
01:24:39,140 --> 01:24:35,610
but once he got to work on it and get to

1860
01:24:41,379 --> 01:24:39,150
see inside he quickly realized that's

1861
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:41,389
not the case

1862
01:24:45,919 --> 01:24:44,010
yeah that's one thing I do believe I

1863
01:24:48,260 --> 01:24:45,929
don't believe he was ever into UFOs or

1864
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:48,270
any any adjacent subjects to UFOs

1865
01:24:52,459 --> 01:24:50,010
whether it's ghosts Bigfoot anything

1866
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:52,469
like that and I think that that lends a

1867
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:54,449
lot to his credibility I mean this is a

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01:24:58,190 --> 01:24:55,530
guy who

1869
01:25:00,020 --> 01:24:58,200
and has no history of being into these

1870
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:00,030
kind of subject matters and then one day

1871
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:02,730
we're to believe that he wakes up and he

1872
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:05,370
commits this huge tall tale with all

1873
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:08,130
these details and it's like I don't know

1874
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:10,170
maybe but it doesn't seem it doesn't

1875
01:25:12,890 --> 01:25:11,730
seem all that I'm not discounting that

1876
01:25:14,660 --> 01:25:12,900
but I mean it just doesn't seem all that

1877
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:14,670
likely something else must be going on

1878
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:16,410
and now going back to that flow chart

1879
01:25:21,230 --> 01:25:18,570
you know I've seen that documentary I

1880
01:25:24,260 --> 01:25:21,240
can't remember the details but my guess

1881
01:25:27,380 --> 01:25:24,270
is they did not go into detail what is

1882
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:27,390
this area 51 and where is it and you

1883
01:25:32,510 --> 01:25:29,520
know what do you feel like there yeah

1884
01:25:35,210 --> 01:25:32,520
you fly there from an airport in LA say

1885
01:25:36,890 --> 01:25:35,220
a Las Vegas to get there and all the

1886
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:36,900
little details that he does in fact get

1887
01:25:42,830 --> 01:25:40,890
right yeah I mean the fact that goes

1888
01:25:46,430 --> 01:25:42,840
back to the stuff that he knew like he

1889
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:46,440
knew where McCarran Airport was he knew

1890
01:25:51,140 --> 01:25:49,170
what the cafeteria area 51 looked like

1891
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:51,150
he knew how to pay for his lunch

1892
01:25:57,530 --> 01:25:54,570
he knew certain parts that if you hadn't

1893
01:25:58,910 --> 01:25:57,540
been there you wouldn't know so I know

1894
01:26:01,220 --> 01:25:58,920
that's not touching on what we were

1895
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:01,230
talking about but the bull back yes I I

1896
01:26:07,460 --> 01:26:04,650
definitely think that it it hurt his

1897
01:26:10,130 --> 01:26:07,470
life I mean obviously it hurt that

1898
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:10,140
relationship she was having his wife was

1899
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:13,050
having an affair because he was gone all

1900
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:16,530
the time at weird hours and again it

1901
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:19,650
goes to that mind control of and I know

1902
01:26:25,340 --> 01:26:21,210
some people would say mind control is

1903
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:25,350
not real it's very much real they would

1904
01:26:29,180 --> 01:26:26,610
call him at like 2:00 o'clock in the

1905
01:26:34,190 --> 01:26:29,190
morning say hey Bob be the McCarron by

1906
01:26:36,590 --> 01:26:34,200
2:45 or your flights leaving and by 4:00

1907
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:36,600
o'clock in the morning s 4 I mean that's

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01:26:40,820 --> 01:26:38,400
that's nobody would want to work like

1909
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:40,830
that I know I wouldn't I don't think you

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01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:43,920
guys would actually yeah your your point

1911
01:26:48,380 --> 01:26:46,410
there I raises a question that I've got

1912
01:26:50,570 --> 01:26:48,390
that's never been answered as far as I

1913
01:26:54,830 --> 01:26:50,580
know how long's did he actually work

1914
01:26:58,220 --> 01:26:54,840
there does anyone know six months yeah

1915
01:27:02,480 --> 01:26:58,230
and here's a not known fact he was not

1916
01:27:04,910 --> 01:27:02,490
fired okay that's that's what makes it

1917
01:27:07,820 --> 01:27:04,920
let that be very clear he was not fired

1918
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:07,830
from working to ask for after the breach

1919
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:09,010
being caught with

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01:27:14,970 --> 01:27:13,090
Hof John Lear and his wife the second or

1921
01:27:17,669 --> 01:27:14,980
third time that they got when they were

1922
01:27:20,580 --> 01:27:17,679
out there and filming the test sessions

1923
01:27:22,740 --> 01:27:20,590
he was not fired they asked him to come

1924
01:27:25,169 --> 01:27:22,750
back he did not go back

1925
01:27:27,839 --> 01:27:25,179
he quit showing up because he was like

1926
01:27:29,819 --> 01:27:27,849
I've had enough you people are messing

1927
01:27:32,910 --> 01:27:29,829
with me you've known about this affair

1928
01:27:36,299 --> 01:27:32,920
with my wife for how long you ain't say

1929
01:27:38,430 --> 01:27:36,309
anything he just had enough so that is

1930
01:27:40,529 --> 01:27:38,440
the interesting part that again it gets

1931
01:27:43,169 --> 01:27:40,539
lost in translation some researchers

1932
01:27:44,850 --> 01:27:43,179
don't even know about that portion and

1933
01:27:46,859 --> 01:27:44,860
that's another point that that we

1934
01:27:49,770 --> 01:27:46,869
haven't discussed how did he know about

1935
01:27:53,370 --> 01:27:49,780
the schedule of the flights the test

1936
01:27:56,129 --> 01:27:53,380
yeah yeah you know and the location to

1937
01:27:58,229 --> 01:27:56,139
those over Pepper's Lake yeah yeah and

1938
01:27:59,879 --> 01:27:58,239
and that would be very sensitive I mean

1939
01:28:01,799 --> 01:27:59,889
even if you were to say well someone

1940
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:01,809
told him okay so who is this person

1941
01:28:06,509 --> 01:28:04,690
telling him who has a security clearance

1942
01:28:08,459 --> 01:28:06,519
and is literally breaching his security

1943
01:28:10,620 --> 01:28:08,469
clearance to tell Bob Lazar no matter

1944
01:28:13,339 --> 01:28:10,630
how no matter you how you slice it any

1945
01:28:16,649 --> 01:28:13,349
kind of test flight even if it was a

1946
01:28:19,470 --> 01:28:16,659
weather balloon yes this is this is the

1947
01:28:21,419 --> 01:28:19,480
kind of information that you don't

1948
01:28:23,850 --> 01:28:21,429
freely share to anyone so he there's

1949
01:28:26,339 --> 01:28:23,860
there's no logical reason he should have

1950
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:26,349
known about what was going on on a

1951
01:28:33,629 --> 01:28:28,570
Papoose Lake unless he had some real

1952
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:33,639
connection to the area 51 complex yeah

1953
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:40,960
let's ask for yeah well is that we

1954
01:28:45,209 --> 01:28:43,210
rammed into the homestretch here does

1955
01:28:46,919 --> 01:28:45,219
anybody else I have a point that they

1956
01:28:51,540 --> 01:28:46,929
want to bring up that we haven't gotten

1957
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:51,550
to at this point I could bring them some

1958
01:28:56,669 --> 01:28:54,010
James Goodall stuff that like Jim

1959
01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:56,679
Goodall looked into whether s4 was real

1960
01:29:02,790 --> 01:28:59,440
and on two different occasions he was

1961
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:02,800
yelled at and told never - and again can

1962
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:05,050
you tell us who James Goodall is James

1963
01:29:09,509 --> 01:29:06,880
good at all as the former SR suddenly

1964
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:09,519
one pilot he was in in the Air National

1965
01:29:18,359 --> 01:29:13,360
Guard our Air Force Reserve excuse me up

1966
01:29:21,699 --> 01:29:18,369
until the like doesn't storm and he was

1967
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:24,129
I don't know like he wrote books about

1968
01:29:30,729 --> 01:29:28,130
SR 31 he himself flew SS Lu Wan he wrote

1969
01:29:34,029 --> 01:29:30,739
books about f-117 he was a good friend

1970
01:29:37,629 --> 01:29:34,039
of Bob Lazar a good friend of John Lear

1971
01:29:39,729 --> 01:29:37,639
and they would go out not so much team's

1972
01:29:42,449 --> 01:29:39,739
good all those three times but Goodall

1973
01:29:46,179 --> 01:29:42,459
would go on subsequent visits to like

1974
01:29:48,580 --> 01:29:46,189
freedom bridge and to what's the other

1975
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:48,590
one I can't think of the other mountain

1976
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:52,400
range ticaboo peak and look down on area

1977
01:29:57,390 --> 01:29:54,650
51 and take pictures but James Goodall

1978
01:30:02,109 --> 01:29:57,400
being that he was in the program for

1979
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:02,119
sr-71 well flying he knew certain people

1980
01:30:07,719 --> 01:30:06,050
and certain parts of the Defense

1981
01:30:10,709 --> 01:30:07,729
Department and on two different

1982
01:30:14,020 --> 01:30:10,719
occasions one he was at the Pentagon

1983
01:30:14,529 --> 01:30:14,030
right after or right near Iran Desert

1984
01:30:17,140 --> 01:30:14,539
Storm

1985
01:30:20,469 --> 01:30:17,150
before he was recalled and he asked

1986
01:30:22,959 --> 01:30:20,479
about s4 and was grilled and said if you

1987
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:22,969
asked about this again we will demote

1988
01:30:27,759 --> 01:30:24,530
you and you'll be dishonorably

1989
01:30:31,540 --> 01:30:27,769
discharged another store that he has is

1990
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:31,550
there was f-117 pilot who hit him in a

1991
01:30:40,089 --> 01:30:36,530
copilot of another f-117 had a access

1992
01:30:42,129 --> 01:30:40,099
pass of the Nevada Test Site they could

1993
01:30:44,379 --> 01:30:42,139
go anywhere they want so they jumped in

1994
01:30:47,469 --> 01:30:44,389
the Humvee and they drove and they drove

1995
01:30:50,229 --> 01:30:47,479
down that road from area 51 all the way

1996
01:30:52,719 --> 01:30:50,239
down south 14 or 15 miles whatever it is

1997
01:30:55,270 --> 01:30:52,729
down to war Papoose like would be and

1998
01:30:57,729 --> 01:30:55,280
all son security were on them like flies

1999
01:31:02,979 --> 01:30:57,739
on you know what and they were told to

2000
01:31:05,620 --> 01:31:02,989
leave the f-117 pilot who's a commander

2001
01:31:07,689 --> 01:31:05,630
said no we have a pass that we could be

2002
01:31:11,140 --> 01:31:07,699
anywhere and they said that pass doesn't

2003
01:31:14,169 --> 01:31:11,150
work here go back where you come from

2004
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:14,179
so those are two stories just of James

2005
01:31:19,989 --> 01:31:15,650
good on you could find that in YouTube

2006
01:31:22,989 --> 01:31:19,999
that again lend credence to s4 being

2007
01:31:25,179 --> 01:31:22,999
real and I can't think of the guy's name

2008
01:31:27,189 --> 01:31:25,189
I spoke to about the last time I was on

2009
01:31:31,959 --> 01:31:27,199
about the archaeologists who went from

2010
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:31,969
west to east and basically found or

2011
01:31:38,380 --> 01:31:35,450
tried to follow the old 49ers

2012
01:31:41,350 --> 01:31:38,390
the gold rush and he walked across the

2013
01:31:44,500 --> 01:31:41,360
Nevada Test Site and into where s4 would

2014
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:44,510
be Papoose Lake and he saw Jerry as his

2015
01:31:49,930 --> 01:31:47,810
name one night he was there he saw the

2016
01:31:53,020 --> 01:31:49,940
side of the mountain open up a daylight

2017
01:31:54,790 --> 01:31:53,030
came out and the door shut and he didn't

2018
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:54,800
know what to think and he's not into

2019
01:32:00,400 --> 01:31:57,290
UFOs or anything like this I know John

2020
01:32:02,260 --> 01:32:00,410
Mirza wrote about this because I

2021
01:32:04,090 --> 01:32:02,270
mentioned the guy died the year later of

2022
01:32:05,980 --> 01:32:04,100
cancer well I didn't know at the time

2023
01:32:08,020 --> 01:32:05,990
because again I'm going off of what I

2024
01:32:10,990 --> 01:32:08,030
had learned from George Knapp a guy died

2025
01:32:13,630 --> 01:32:11,000
of cancer that was not related to him

2026
01:32:17,710 --> 01:32:13,640
being a Papoose Lake because it's such a

2027
01:32:21,250 --> 01:32:17,720
a irradiated area cuz all the nuclear

2028
01:32:24,010 --> 01:32:21,260
tests that had gone on but again those

2029
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:24,020
are just again more data points to prove

2030
01:32:31,210 --> 01:32:28,850
the s4 is definitely real all right now

2031
01:32:35,710 --> 01:32:31,220
before we wrap up is anyone else have

2032
01:32:40,410 --> 01:32:35,720
anything that they want to share yes

2033
01:32:45,730 --> 01:32:40,420
okay go ahead and write three words

2034
01:32:47,530 --> 01:32:45,740
disclosure in 2019 ha ha ha ha ha more

2035
01:32:47,950 --> 01:32:47,540
on the way what so let's certainly hope

2036
01:32:49,390 --> 01:32:47,960
so

2037
01:32:52,170 --> 01:32:49,400
but that way we're not running out of

2038
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:52,180
things to talk about that's for sure

2039
01:32:58,180 --> 01:32:55,850
well again folks have a fantastic

2040
01:33:00,700 --> 01:32:58,190
roundtable we've had a lot of success

2041
01:33:03,250 --> 01:33:00,710
with these I think a lot of information

2042
01:33:05,290 --> 01:33:03,260
has gotten out that is worth sharing a

2043
01:33:06,690 --> 01:33:05,300
lot of different perspectives a lot of

2044
01:33:09,970 --> 01:33:06,700
different ideas getting kicked around

2045
01:33:10,930 --> 01:33:09,980
well worth my time thank you everybody

2046
01:33:14,050 --> 01:33:10,940
for coming on

2047
01:33:16,420 --> 01:33:14,060
Johana thanks for joining us thanks for

2048
01:33:17,860 --> 01:33:16,430
helping us out especially with your

2049
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:17,870
little find about the hand scanner

2050
01:33:22,390 --> 01:33:20,210
technology thanks so much for coming on

2051
01:33:25,510 --> 01:33:22,400
board thank you very much for having me

2052
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:25,520
and Ryan again thank you for coming back

2053
01:33:30,330 --> 01:33:28,490
with us always a pleasure and when are

2054
01:33:33,780 --> 01:33:30,340
we going to see part two of a your own

2055
01:33:36,250 --> 01:33:33,790
Lazar the trial of Bob Lazar

2056
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:36,260
when can we look forward to that and my

2057
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:37,970
goal is that it will happen this week

2058
01:33:42,250 --> 01:33:41,330
god fantastic thanks again Ryan Thank

2059
01:33:44,860 --> 01:33:42,260
You Alfred

2060
01:33:48,089 --> 01:33:44,870
again thanks for coming on thanks for

2061
01:33:49,919 --> 01:33:48,099
sharing what you know and what I

2062
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:49,929
don't know if this is gonna be our last

2063
01:33:55,169 --> 01:33:53,170
show of the year but if not I know we'll

2064
01:34:01,140 --> 01:33:55,179
be having you back on come 2019

2065
01:34:04,500 --> 01:34:01,150
oh really they'll be [\h__\h] I must be

2066
01:34:07,189 --> 01:34:04,510
doing something right thank you guys I

2067
01:34:09,629 --> 01:34:07,199
don't think Ryan and thanked Sean for

2068
01:34:11,700 --> 01:34:09,639
that piece that she found was huge I

2069
01:34:13,740 --> 01:34:11,710
didn't even I mean I had seen it in the

2070
01:34:15,959 --> 01:34:13,750
documentary but I didn't know how and

2071
01:34:17,580 --> 01:34:15,969
duck I mean the department naval

2072
01:34:21,540 --> 01:34:17,590
intelligence that's huge it's a huge

2073
01:34:24,030 --> 01:34:21,550
fine yeah it does corroborate where

2074
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:24,040
Lazar said he was employed so there you

2075
01:34:28,620 --> 01:34:24,730
go

2076
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:28,630
and James I and I young doli thanks

2077
01:34:34,620 --> 01:34:33,130
again for co-hosting this again you did

2078
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:34,630
a fantastic job putting all this

2079
01:34:37,859 --> 01:34:37,449
together oh absolutely I love it - my

2080
01:34:39,569 --> 01:34:37,869
pleasure

2081
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:39,579
hello be getting together with everybody

2082
01:34:44,700 --> 01:34:42,130
like this all right so let's wrap this

2083
01:34:47,850 --> 01:34:44,710
up folks everybody who's listening in

2084
01:34:50,189 --> 01:34:47,860
thanks a lot for joining us obviously if

2085
01:34:53,399 --> 01:34:50,199
you came in a little bit late the whole

2086
01:34:55,740 --> 01:34:53,409
thing will be properly uploaded and

2087
01:34:58,410 --> 01:34:55,750
you'll be able to listen to it from the

2088
01:35:00,810 --> 01:34:58,420
beginning but it was a blast it was real

2089
01:35:03,990 --> 01:35:00,820
thanks for joining us and we'll be back

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01:35:05,490 --> 01:35:04,000
soon with another fabulous show thanks